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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer  What they are or how they got to this point really is a moot point now almost.. what SHOULD matter is What is being produced and the health of these dogs!!
We have a silent problem out there.. silent because people have been told to "keep quiet".. "stay still".. or "look the other way".. We have over 40 (I believe) cases where people have been brave enough not to stay quiet.. they have shared their information and we have followed their pedigrees. There are common names, common links. There are lines out there with this issue, this issue of seizures. There are definite lines to worry about, and lines not to mix together. There is information available but no one will talk about it.. no one is willing to share information, they would rather say "All is well" and ignore the problem. I have been told there are a few "clean" lines out there.. I don't know I haven't had the good fortune to have found any of them in any of my dogs... they maybe out there but these dogs are so tightly bred it would be difficult at best to find them. IMO
So, let's just keep breeding Biewer to Biewer and keep producing these cute little bundles of fluff without a care in the world, and then if/when there is a problem.. just everyone SHHHHHH!
In the end, who is hurt? ask Cleo, Mercedes, Lady, Fancy, Briella, Nobel, Fairy, Fellio, ... and the list goes on.
Diana  |
I will agree with you on the fact that health is paramount and seizures are an issue to focus on however, Yorkies are plagued with the same issue as well as Maltese and breeding Biewers to Yorkies is no "safer" then Biewer to Biewer especially if you feel these dogs are Yorkies. Seizures are an issue in toy breeds period and not isolated to Biewers. Breeding Biewers to Yorkies just creates diluted Biewer genes and diluted Yorkie genes both carrying seizure genetics. Every breed known today has its issues and these very breeds can be traced back to a small group of individual dogs. In Germany the biewers were intermingled with Yorkies and god knows what else so the gene pool is diverse contrary to what some will dispute. More diverse than the foundations of most established breeds we know today. IMO the bigger problem is the constant he said she said, fighting and smearing that goes on in this breed that has cut off the possibility of breeders from both sides of the fence coming together to expand and improve the breeding pool but it is very clear to me that that isn't happening anytime soon. Too many of the people breeding these dogs are more interested in cashing in on a trend or smacking down a fellow breeder so they can sell more of their own dogs. I have been in dogs, multiple breeds, for more than 25 years and I have never seen such disgraceful behavior among breeders than I have within this breed. Everyone is in a race to nowhere! No one is exempt either. I have done my research and I feel from what information is out there and from the dogs I own that this is a breed outside the yorkie and it will eventually be seen that way. Hopefully the people will then finally come together for the breed and not themselves. I have avoided this forum because of the fighting I have heard about and and now I see why. ridiculous people!