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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly  All good points and I'd like to see adding the "shaking/trembling" for a sign of possible pain. Also was thinking it would be good to do a separate sticky for how to tell if your Yorkie is in pain. We could base it on that link you copied and add the things we all would like without going overboard. So many people still think if a dog isn't limping or whining it isn't hurting. Can we do a signs of pain/distress list sticky?
I so worry if we put in a lot of extra words on this list - zoom, they are gone after just reading a quarter or half.
What if this list says said somewhere just under the headline about the symptoms:
"Please click on the underlined, blue hyperlinks for further information."
OR
"Please click on the underlined, blue hyperlinks for further explanation."
I'd like to see refusal of food added to #12 but have had more than one vet tell me to rest the gut for a 24 hour period so maybe that is not so important for most dogs but for the Yorkie, I would think it would be vital not to go a whole day and night without food, especially the very small ones! I don't let Tibbe go much over 8 and certainly not 12 hours myself without making him eat something, if I have to make it thin, runny kibble soup and spoon it in or at least some Karo or honey. Unless of course the vet says differently.
What if #12 reads: "Refusal to eat or drink water for more than 10 - 14 hours."?
That is far more hours than I am comfortable with and doesn't include tinies I'm sure but I hate to make it too different from the AVMA list but that 24 hours seems quite a long, long time for a little dog under 10 lbs. to go without food and/or water unless directed to by a vet!
What do you all think of the separate pain list and changing the hours for food/water from that of the AVMA? |
I know sometimes we are told not to give them food, but my vet told me that was a sign of pain. Since I didn't know this or that a dog often hides the fact it is in pain, it really stood out in my brain.
As far as adding the words or having them click a link, I would probably do some of each, I think the list of "Obvious signs of pain or anxiety" is too important not to list and we can't read it enough. I think it can still be a fairly short list. I probably wouldn't change the wording of the AVMA, but I'd make type an asterisk and write in red, something like, "for toy breeds a safer number might be 12 hours." I'm just trying to give you ideas, I'm sure whatever you think is right will be great.