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Old 10-20-2012, 03:31 PM   #41
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To my mind, he'd been poking at that dog over her food-bowl guarding for quite some time, clearly pushing the dog further & further toward her limit and she no doubt had built up a full store of adrenaline as he stood almost over her in dominance. Though she was showing signs of submission, there were still sure signs of uncertainty in everything about her as she was still processing what had just taken place and still Cesar approached to pet! Unless that dog had gone into full submission, turned away with soft eyes, nudged me gently with her muzzle, rolled onto her back or lowered her hind quarters, wagged her behind at me, done a good bit of liplicking and a good deal more "down time" had passed, I wouldn't have tried to pet that soon after pushing a dog to the limit(which I wouldn't do anyway). Cesar clearly hadn't ended the "session" by saying "release" to the dog, walking away from her or otherwise indicating the session was over, which, clearly in the dog's mind, it wasn't - so she was still in it as far as she was concerned.

To me, when you have had any type of discipline confrontation with a misbehaving dog, if you don't "release" it from the session in some way, they can remain super alert & waiting for more for quite a while. If I have had to discipline a dog, once the discipline and f/u eye contact is done, I release the dog verbally and walk away, allowing the dog out of training/discipline mode and resuming dog mode as soon as he can. Doggie is usually quiet in manner and dealing with what just happened in his mind for a while, checking me out with an occasional glance. He'll sniff the ground, act casual but still you can tell he's left a bit unsure for a time. Then, when the dog has had time to process the session and think about it a while, has started to act himself again, checked me out enough to know I'm done with it all, his tail is back up, etc., I look at him, smile, allow him to come to me and then I pet & love the dog, though a bit reserved still for the remains of the hour.

That's how a mother or alpha dog disciplines - they doesn't discipline with teeth, show teeth & growl or a smack with a firm paw, stand over the underling a while and then immediately kiss or nuzzle it (essentially pet it, as CM tried to do). No. They discipline, stand over or very near with eye contact and then clearly break the session, walking away for a good while, letting the pup or underling process the lesson. Later, they resume normal relationship but only after a good little while and they wait for the underling to come to them with the proper attitude! Cesar did not break away and allow that dog to think, process, relax before he tried affection/touching. And considering the Draconian methods he'd used, the poor girl had a lot to try to process and deal with. To my way of thinking, he spoiled the whole "lesson" by jumping the gun - trying to pet. And I use the term "lesson" advisedly, as all he "taught" Holly that day was to resent him.
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