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Originally Posted by Nancy1999  No I didn't see it. I'm not sure if they are good or not. You need someone with more expertise than I have to tell you the faults of the articles, but they don’t seem to be blatantly biased. These have been linked on other YT threads, I didn't search them down. By the way, I’m not sure anyone is “pro docking” any more than someone is pro-abortion, it’s more about choice, and what’s best for the breed overall. In my opinion, saying it’s amputation seem to be a gross exaggeration. Cutting the skinny tip isn’t amputation, but if a dog breaks the tail, since tails don’t heal well, sometimes they do have to amputate the complete tail as well as butt muscle. I haven’t done that much research on the issue, and I believe as Loraine said they are still getting information from the European clubs on the long term effect of not docking anymore. Bottom line though, is I believe we should support the breed clubs. Anytime we make it harder for reputable breeders to breed, we are effectively killing the breed. Once true dog fanciers are out of the picture, all that will be left are people breeding for the money. |
I too think we should support breed clubs...but I can't support them blindly; I honestly feel the breed clubs should be LEADING the way toward not docking. Instead, it sometimes feels like breed clubs are closed doors in terms of even looking at the issue with an open mind...that really, really bothers me; in fact, it chips away at my trust in breed clubs in general
(to be very honest). So, where does that leave people like me who are truly interested in this issue? Pretty much on their own, or with others who are feeling similarly and want to openly discuss it - without being chastised by *some* breeders who *don't* want us discussing it (please note - I said *some* - stress SOME
- and only SOME! Not all!).
No one wants to make it harder for reputable breeders to breed; I'm not sure how discussing this would make it harder for them breed. They can't expect us to not discuss things only bc there is a chance it may make things difficult for them. I'm not sure that's exactly what you meant though, but that's kinda how I read it.
I respect your feelings about using the word amputation, and I'm sure others feel that way too. To me though, there is no such thing as "docking" a body part. When you cut off part of a body part or shorten a body part, you're amputating it. Docking does make it sound better though. I just feel more comfortable when we call it what it really is...maybe that's the nurse in me; I couldn't tell a patient we were "docking" their leg and feel okay about describing it that way...that wouldn't sit right with me. Maybe that's odd that I feel this way, but that's me.
It's a sensitive issue all around, but I'm glad we're discussing it bc I think it's important to people on all sides. Lots of good food for thought. I hope I didn't say
anything offensive here, Nanc - you know I always appreciate your opinion even when we come at it from different angles
.
(Btw, I don't see it as just 'docking the skinny tip'...it's more than 3/4 of the tail, at least. When I compare Wylie and Marcel's tail w/ Pfeiffer's full tail, it's wayyy more than a skinny tip that is cut off,
imho)