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Originally Posted by hunniebunnie A few thoughts on this...
- there is a difference between mixes from 2 purebreds vs. mixes from mixes -
- just wanted to make sure this is considered. a good mixed bred pup should be one of 2 purebred parents, first generation mutts if you will.
- that means the breeder should have purebred parents.
- there's nothing wrong with responsible breeders who breed "pets" and not breeding for champions or for show -
- "designer mixes" are obviously being mixed and bred for non-show purposes. they are meant to be pets
- "pet quality" pets are obviously cheaper than "show quality" pets
- designer mixes are mixed because they can possess qualities that are desirable to those who seek them out. these qualities will include not only aestetics such as appearance and size, but also reduction of genetic health concerns that are prevelent amongst purebreds of a particular breed.
- there's no difference between an irresponsible backyard breeder who breeds purebreds and an irresponsible backyard breeder who breeds mixes -
- the problem is not the type of dog that's being bred, but HOW and WHY the parents are being bred and how responsible or irresponsible the breeder is.
- as mentioned, there are those who would like to have a small breed dog that cannot afford the prices demanded by small breed breeders. mixes offer a cost effective alternative -
- small breeds in shelters that do not have pre-existing health or behavior problems get adopted even before they get listed on petfinder.
- i also tried shelters before i purchased my yorkie and after stalking petfinder for 2 months, i finally found an adult maltese-mix listed within 60miles of where i live. when i called the shelter about adoption, the person who picked up the phone suggested that i submit an application, but warned that there has been A LOT OF INTEREST (translation 100+ calls, over 30 applications on submitted) for that particular pup. my chances are remote especially since i'm competing again people with a house with yard-home vs. my condo-home.
- to answer the question "what do you think when these mixes start exceeding the price of a purebred, akc, champion bloodline dog? Such as the puggles? I've seen them sell for up to $1200."
- like with any breed dog, purebred or mixed, the more responsible the breeder, the more expensive the puppies. so there are times when a mixed pup of good bloodlines and parents who passed health tests can sell for more than purebreds of questionable bloodlines with no tests done.
- the fact of the matter is, with all things being equal, geographic location, appearance, size, responsible breeder, etc, a mixbred price will NOT exceed that of a purebred, akc, champion bloodline.
- as obscene as it sounds, $1200 in some metropolitian areas IS the going rate for a designer mix such as a puggle from a reputable breeder. but the going rate for a purebred pug or a purebred beagle in the same area from an equally reputable breeder would cost much more than $1200.
- puppies, may they be purebred or mixed may be cheaper elsewhere in the country, but those of us in parts of the country with a higher cost of living just have to deal with the higher cost. either by paying more to a local breeder, or extra shipping costs to an out of area breeder.
- personally if i'm going to pay more than a shelter adoption fee for a pup, i'd sooner pay for a mix from a breeder with parents i can see, than a purebred with parents i can't see.
backyard breeders will breed whatever they think they can profit from
- that may be purebreds or mixes.
- the breeding of purebreds can be overdone as easily as breeding of mixes.
- it is the responsibility of the buyer to make an informed and educated decision on the purchase and adoption of ANY pet.
- the likelihood of a pup ending up at a shelter is dependent up so much more than just whether or not it's a mixed or purebred. likewise is the likelihood that same pup will be adopted at a shelter.
on a similar note, i wonder, those who are anti-designer mixes, do you see the same negative impact on yorkies and other dogs with a purebred yorkie of limited registration parents of non-championlines? |
Wow, you did cover alot, and I will try to cover most of it. I believe that it is harder to find a more reputable person selling mixed breeds. First of all, most of the time no papers are involved. Second, a breeder should know what bloodlines they're working with, which means knowing everything about both sides instead of a person just happening to own a yorkie and a maltese for example. But everyone's definition of reputable is different.
I have to get going now, I respectfully disagree with you on several things, like I believe the breeding of mixes is easier to overdo since it's easier to find any small dog vice searching for another yorkie. I have already seen full grown puggles and yorkie mixes sitting in shelters. I believe they're not being adopted because they're full grown and people are looking for puppies. I know there are many factors on why people get rid of dogs, but if as you say the people who pay more are more likely to find them better homes. Then would you say that the people who pay less for a dog are less likely to care where they go to, ie: a shelter? I believe that a purebreed is more likely to be adopted quicker and I would hate to see some of these little mixes end up on death row in some states that allow it.
I suppose only time will tell what will happen. I do wish laws on breeding were more strict so the backyard breeders and puppymillers can be stopped. I just already see the backyard breeders picking up on this trend/fad. I have to get to cleaning my house, the husband comes back from the ship today. yay.
Thank you and everyone else for your input.