I usually wrap a bow 3 times on Chanel who has lots of hair - on Cheri - 4 times - but NEVER too tight ...
they stay in wonderfully - HERE IS A GREAT SITE to see well made bows -
http://www.magnoliasmagnificentyorkies.com/store.html
both my girls are lucky to have some and they look just fantastic on and stay really well ! She is also a Member here and her name is Sue ...User name Snow Yorkies -