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Originally Posted by concretegurl  Consider the subjects: Can you post links for your research please I believe I have read one of them and it was specific to a few large breeds only...
obviously a study specified to large breeds and specific large breeds with specific needs would NOT apply to Yorkies. Consider the time: I read a study last night that said it was better to marry at the age of 15 it increases happiness...it was from 1944...then in the 50's the government started releasing wait to get married propaganda films Dailymotion - 1950 - Are You Ready for Marriage Government Propaganda - a Funny video I LOVE this video below!
Check this out duck and cover when there's drama, if you duck and cover an atomic bomb won't kill you...  Dailymotion - Duck And Cover 1951 Government Propaganda - a News & Politics video
Consider the sponsor:I read another study just discussed on the 700 club stating women who consume vitamin on a daily basis die earlier than woman who do not-it was a sponsored by a well known pharmaceutical company. The study that compare women with heart desire taking vitamins to women who are other wise health and whom do not take vitamins daily Consider the source: I read a study stating breast milk was the most toxic substance on the plant and that formula being purified is therefore less toxic for infants. The study was not independent an was done by a go figure infant formula company.
QUOTE from Belle Noir: "So in my opinion, ASIDE from the HEALTH benefits that have been pointed out regarding tooth eruption, shots, and the dangers of hypoglycemia, the reasons given do not make sense with regards to socialization, house training, bite inhibition and so forth." Why do you need anything beyond health reasoning?
If you don't understand the behavioral impact in socialization well no one can create the ability of another to critically understand things. |
Again with the snide comments? Was the last sentence REALLY necessary? Or did you just feel the need to get in another jab at me? And to clarify things, MY point was NEVER what you seem to be assuming I was making. I DO understand FAR GREATER than you know the behavioral impact of socialization. My questioning was on the behavioral impact of socialization on a puppy whose only socialization is within the natal pack.
In fact, some Yorkie breeders have touched on that, when they suggest not getting "siblings" because the pups bond too closely to each other, they get aggressive when they feel their pack structure is threatened, and there is also the exasperation of dominance and submission with the two sibs, that can lead to either one being hen pecked and hounded, or a terrible bloody injurious fight between evenly matched sibs, when one decides they want to be the boss dog.
I do believe I said several times in my "eye gouging" posts that the health reasons were good enough for me. I was looking at learning what OTHER health reasons other than hypoglycemia were the health reasons that mattered to breeders. Because if those health reasons mattered to breeders then they should matter to potential buyers as well.
I had not considered tooth eruption, for example. And I was glad to hear of it, and thanked the poster that gave that as one of her reasons.
So many are so quick to attack me because they aren't actually reading what I am saying. Perhaps it is because of the length of my posts, but I don't do small posts, I just never have. I'm the girl when asked to write a paragraph in school, wrote an essay. It's just one of my quirks, albeit, one that can be annoying to some. And I realize that some information gets lost because eyes glaze over, then quickly focus on what is perceived as the negative.
Since I have last been here, I have been trying to understand why, since I
DO agree that the HEALTH reasons are valid, what does it matter if I can't agree about the behavioral ones? This is heightened by what some other chihuahua breeders say...
Hypoglycemia is seen most often in smaller specimens of Chihuahua puppy, but I caution all new owners to watch your puppy carefully until he is at least 16 weeks of age.
If the puppy is a ‘tiny’, I won’t even sell a puppy until it is 12 weeks of age. This can cause bonding and socialization problems because the first 120 days of the puppy’s life are like "the formative years" in the life of a human child. What it comes down to is a judgment call by the breeder as to when the puppy is strong enough to leave.
I know Yorkies are not Chihuahuas, but I am looking at the size comparison, because, yes, you're right, large breeds are not small breeds.
BUT the truth is also that small breeds and large breeds also follow the same developmental path during the first months of their lives.
Why does it have to be all or nothing? Since I do agree with the health reasons, why must I also agree with the behavioral aspects, when either way, the results are the same? Why is it this place seems to be so threatened by someone with a difference of opinion?
And it's not just me. I have seen many people attacked over the years.. and I say years, because I do go back and read the old posts, for very much the reasons I am being attacked. Because I have a difference of opinion.
You are right. The health reasons are reason enough! I said that, I agree to that! I just wanted to know what OTHER heath reasons other than hypoglycemia. I am sorry I wasn't clear about that. I just did not want to hear about the behavioral aspects of it, because I had my opinion, which I have gone and backed.
As for my research on the subject. I gave you a starting place, the Jackson Laboratory, Hamilton Station, Bar Harbor Maine.. and I do recall in the mountain of information I was reading that Yorkies were in fact used in one of their studies, which is why I felt it particularly relevant. The only breeds that did not have the same developmental progress with specific stimuli, or lack thereof where the basinji and and cocker, though I forget if it was the American or English cocker.. Had I not have to contend with people telling me search the site, use google, stop asking us these questions you can find the answer for yourself, when I HAVE, and have not found answers for, I would be more willing to pull up my browsing history and find the links for you. But I'm sorry, I don't feel so inclined to do so.
However, I did use as one of my search string puppy behavioral development. I hope if you care to look, you will find it useful.
As for bogus studies, I get your point, but these were not studies for or against anything insofar as I can tell. When anyone has an agenda or you feel they do, you are right to be suspicious. That is why I can't be angry at those of you that feel as though I do. I KNOW I don't, but I understand that others feeling that I do makes me a target.
But if a study is not looking to prove anything one way or another, and if just looking to gain information, that study, in general is a pretty good guide. Dr. Whitney's genetic studies for example. He wasn't looking to prove anything, he just wanted to know what happens when you breed say a basset hound with a fox hound.
In closing, can you please stop with the snide comments. We're adults, we can disagree politely without personal attacks.
Yes, I type too much, I know this.
You are exactly right, the health reasons are reason enough, and I said that it was reason enough. So it doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with the other reasons given.
I am sorry if I didn't make it clear, I was looking for health reasons OTHER than hypoglycemia. I thought I had, and thankfully, several breeders were able to read between my somewhat convoluted lines and give their reasons, which I greatly appreciate them sharing.