I've discovered that my 'threshold' for mess is so far above that of my three men, I couldn't wait them out if I tried. If I used the trash bag route, I would be the only person in the house with any belongings. My boys, ages 15 and 18, have three chores - dropping laundry down the shoot from their bathroom; bringing dishes back to the kitchen; putting trash in the trashcan (also taking out full trash and replacing bag). Other than that, their rooms are clean. If I never go upstairs, it is much better for me (scary up there). I actually quit my job last year when I decided my husband does nothing but make messes. It scares me when he does anything but watch TV fearing the mess that follows. At least now I consider cleaning up after him 'my job' and it is much easier to swallow. Luckily I still have time for my real babies