[Ellie May]

I don't think it's acceptable at all. I do think you got lucky with Jackson though. Small dogs do tend to be harder to potty train. That shouldn't be an excuse, but it is reality.

Ellie goes in her crate, so crate training is out.
She didn't take to pads.
She goes outside if somebody takes her every 1-2 hours (at 10 years old outside 8+ times a day, with her being ADD sniffing all the way is a bit much).
The tethering method worked somewhat, but she had no problem pooping when my head way turned. Also, as soon as she earned time off the tether, she messed up.

So I think it is easier said than done. Rylee is as easy as can be for training. Been here a month and doing very well.

My dogs' vet just got a small breed dog a few months ago. Watches her like a hawk. Extremely consistent. Still can't be trusted. She is now wondering if she will ever be fully trained. Doesn't mind pooping in her crate. Doesn't understand how to ask to go out. Bell method not working. Soooo while I completely agree with you, most of us don't think it's acceptable but a fact of life.

People can say Yorkies are no harder to train or small breeds are no harder to train or just be consistent and it will all work out. I would disagree with that. Get a small female with a princess ideation and little desire to follow rules and then you'll learn to live with it. lol