Well as for the lab, they are bigger dogs, they CAN go out in the snow and REALLY enjoy it AND be able to stay out for a few minutes to do their buisness. (I'm sure you get the point by now
) I always get it from my aunt. Tucker is still not house broken at 8 months. My aunt had a dear old Black Lab, Kelly (Rest In Peace) and she is always saying how Kelly was housebroken in 3 days. blah blah blah, I then explain to her how Tucker is SMALL and can't hold it for as long as Kelly could, etc., You aren't doing anything wrong with wee wee pad training, a lot of people do it because of the cold winter. Good luck!