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FlDebra · 03-31-2011, 01:03 AM

I had to stay offline for a day just to calm down over this ordeal!

This was one of the most frustrating interactions I have EVER had concerning a pup! I fell in love with the picture PrinceHenry posted on another thread saying Izzy was for sale. I immediately visualized a similar sized-playmate to run and play with my Annie. I wrote immediately and then called as soon as she gave her phone number! That is how excited I was. I had not been looking for another puppy, had not even decided to add another! But her picture just spoke to me and it said, "Come get me Momma!"

I told Rebekah I wanted Izzy but needed to slow down a little and ask some questions. That is where the problems started! I never got my medical questions answered! I also found different stories about the price. She said she paid $2200 for Izzy. I said she must have an impressive predigree for that money, & she said agreed. She said she was asking $1000as she did not want tomake money on her. Actually she said she would advertise $1000 OBO and go from there. I told her I thought that was reasonable for a good pedigree 15 month pup that was already spayed and house-trained. She said she got along well with other dogs. I asked about her medical history and all I got was she had been spayed and a "slew of tests" were done at that time but she did not know what. I told her I was most interested in finding out about bile acid testing and LP/joint health, etc. No answer. She said she would send me pictures. I told her I would write down more questions. She said if I had doubts, someone else would buy her. She said no pressure but she was putting an ad in the paper and on YT. Still I had to do SOME checking. Still, I was planning on a road trip to TN to get her just as quickly as I could get some "due diligence" accomplished.

I tried to find out anything about "Pleasant Place Yorkies in Hendersonville, TN" to no avail, the breeder Rebekah said bred little Izzy. I got online and read through some of her posts here On YT where I found she posted that she had only paid $650 for Izzy. I asked her about this and she said she did not want to admit she had overpaid for Izzy. I found that strange that she would go from $2200 to $650 and asked "So, you did actually pay this breeder $2200? She said, "If you have doubts, my groomer is interested." I kept reassuring her it was not that I had doubts, I just needed more info. I asked if she had soft or silky textured coat? She said:"Its very very soft n silky feeling." I told her how to tell the difference in soft and silk but she did not answer back on that question. I also asked her about some of the lines in her pedigree. She said I could see those when I bought the pedigree from AKC as she had never gotten one and had not even registered Izzy.

I also asked her about selling a puppy belonging to her daughter as I had seen a post where she said Izzy was a birthday present for her daugher. She said she was too young and uninterested and she did not care if I didn't agree with her "reason for getting rid of her." Her words. I had not said I agreed or disagreed but was asking why. The only reason was that she wanted a breeder. I would have never said "getting rid of her" though as that sort of language reminds me of some old pile of clothes or toys your child is done with NOT a living, breathing puppy. I also didn't understand why she couldn't keep her and get a breeding prospect. She said she bought Izzy to be a breeding dog but that was confusing to me as she HAD to know she was going to be small! A 2.2 lb adult is not going to present as a pup that would grow to breeding size. Still with all of these things -- I was still wanting this little girl.

She told me again, that the groomer was interested but she was waiting to hear back from me. So, I immediately wrote back: "I am very interested but trying to be sensible too. " I also told her: "It is not that I am having doubts, I am trying to learn a little more about her." I asked very specific questions telling her I really needed to know AT LEAST about bile acid testing and would she be willing to do a bile acid test before selling her. I ended by asking if she really preferred to sell to her groomer (I would have understood) or if she just did not want to answer my questions. By this time there had been several back and forth and I still had NOT ONE HEALTH QUESTION answered! I would write several paragraphs and she would write back with like one sentence, that did not even touch on the health questions I was asking. She wrote back right away, at 11:31 am saying: "Oh no I'm not saying that at all. Just that she is interested in her. Let me contact the vet n get All her information."

Then a little over an HOUR later she writes the following:

Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:49 pm
Hi there. Someone just put a deposit on Izzy. Thank you so much for ur inquiry. "

Thanks for "ur inquiry"????? I thought she was waitng on me, and had no idea that meant minutes instead of long enough for her to check with her vet. I told her I WANTED Izzy, told her I was VERY interested, I was even willing to forego some of the testing if I could JUST GET SOME ANSWERS. Last I heard she was getting that from the vet. But I NEVER got any answers to my health questions. So, I have no idea if she has joint problems like LP or Legg-Perthe or if she has liver shunts or worse. All I wanted was answers to some very basic and crucial health questions. I don't think anyone should buy a dog without knowing these things. I even gave her a list of questions I would normally ask so she would know I was not being picky this time (since she was not a breeding candidate, I cut out quite a lot of my usual questions). I can't get over the fact that Rebekah told me she was waiting on me at 10:30 am Monday and then had sold her to someone else by 12:49 the same day while supposedly checking with her vet to see what testing she had done.

I believe things happen for a reason and I have been saved from myself before. But I really fell in love with the pictures of Izzy -- something in her little face just made me want to love her endlessly. I hope the person who does get to provide a loving home for this baby got some answers to these questions. Most of all I hope she does provide her with a loving, safe, and healthy home where the new owner will actually know what she has been tested for. Not Bile Acid Testing a puppy that is so small would be irresponsible. But she may well have the testing, who know???? Not me.

I just do not understand why she was so reluctant to answer any of my questions. I would have loved to have seen her and Annie running, playing and bonding with each other. I had just had my sister here with her two yorkies (from my previous litters) and I loved how they were just inseparable. I wanted that for my Annie! I have such a great place for puppies with almost an acre of our property fenced just for them now that my boys are all grown and away. Being retired, I have all the time in the world to spoil them and love them -- they provide me with so much joy! But I know I am already thrice blessed with my 2 yorkies and my youngest son's Jack Russell until he gets out of school. I will enjoy them and think very hard before I put myself through something like this again.

03-31-2011, 01:03 AM	#9
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Disappointed and Frustrated I had to stay offline for a day just to calm down over this ordeal! This was one of the most frustrating interactions I have EVER had concerning a pup! I fell in love with the picture PrinceHenry posted on another thread saying Izzy was for sale. I immediately visualized a similar sized-playmate to run and play with my Annie. I wrote immediately and then called as soon as she gave her phone number! That is how excited I was. I had not been looking for another puppy, had not even decided to add another! But her picture just spoke to me and it said, "Come get me Momma!" I told Rebekah I wanted Izzy but needed to slow down a little and ask some questions. That is where the problems started! I never got my medical questions answered! I also found different stories about the price. She said she paid $2200 for Izzy. I said she must have an impressive predigree for that money, & she said agreed. She said she was asking $1000as she did not want tomake money on her. Actually she said she would advertise $1000 OBO and go from there. I told her I thought that was reasonable for a good pedigree 15 month pup that was already spayed and house-trained. She said she got along well with other dogs. I asked about her medical history and all I got was she had been spayed and a "slew of tests" were done at that time but she did not know what. I told her I was most interested in finding out about bile acid testing and LP/joint health, etc. No answer. She said she would send me pictures. I told her I would write down more questions. She said if I had doubts, someone else would buy her. She said no pressure but she was putting an ad in the paper and on YT. Still I had to do SOME checking. Still, I was planning on a road trip to TN to get her just as quickly as I could get some "due diligence" accomplished. I tried to find out anything about "Pleasant Place Yorkies in Hendersonville, TN" to no avail, the breeder Rebekah said bred little Izzy. I got online and read through some of her posts here On YT where I found she posted that she had only paid $650 for Izzy. I asked her about this and she said she did not want to admit she had overpaid for Izzy. I found that strange that she would go from $2200 to $650 and asked "So, you did actually pay this breeder $2200? She said, "If you have doubts, my groomer is interested." I kept reassuring her it was not that I had doubts, I just needed more info. I asked if she had soft or silky textured coat? She said:"Its very very soft n silky feeling." I told her how to tell the difference in soft and silk but she did not answer back on that question. I also asked her about some of the lines in her pedigree. She said I could see those when I bought the pedigree from AKC as she had never gotten one and had not even registered Izzy. I also asked her about selling a puppy belonging to her daughter as I had seen a post where she said Izzy was a birthday present for her daugher. She said she was too young and uninterested and she did not care if I didn't agree with her "reason for getting rid of her." Her words. I had not said I agreed or disagreed but was asking why. The only reason was that she wanted a breeder. I would have never said "getting rid of her" though as that sort of language reminds me of some old pile of clothes or toys your child is done with NOT a living, breathing puppy. I also didn't understand why she couldn't keep her and get a breeding prospect. She said she bought Izzy to be a breeding dog but that was confusing to me as she HAD to know she was going to be small! A 2.2 lb adult is not going to present as a pup that would grow to breeding size. Still with all of these things -- I was still wanting this little girl. She told me again, that the groomer was interested but she was waiting to hear back from me. So, I immediately wrote back: "I am very interested but trying to be sensible too. " I also told her: "It is not that I am having doubts, I am trying to learn a little more about her." I asked very specific questions telling her I really needed to know AT LEAST about bile acid testing and would she be willing to do a bile acid test before selling her. I ended by asking if she really preferred to sell to her groomer (I would have understood) or if she just did not want to answer my questions. By this time there had been several back and forth and I still had NOT ONE HEALTH QUESTION answered! I would write several paragraphs and she would write back with like one sentence, that did not even touch on the health questions I was asking. She wrote back right away, at 11:31 am saying: "Oh no I'm not saying that at all. Just that she is interested in her. Let me contact the vet n get All her information." Then a little over an HOUR later she writes the following: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:49 pm Hi there. Someone just put a deposit on Izzy. Thank you so much for ur inquiry. " Thanks for "ur inquiry"????? I thought she was waitng on me, and had no idea that meant minutes instead of long enough for her to check with her vet. I told her I WANTED Izzy, told her I was VERY interested, I was even willing to forego some of the testing if I could JUST GET SOME ANSWERS. Last I heard she was getting that from the vet. But I NEVER got any answers to my health questions. So, I have no idea if she has joint problems like LP or Legg-Perthe or if she has liver shunts or worse. All I wanted was answers to some very basic and crucial health questions. I don't think anyone should buy a dog without knowing these things. I even gave her a list of questions I would normally ask so she would know I was not being picky this time (since she was not a breeding candidate, I cut out quite a lot of my usual questions). I can't get over the fact that Rebekah told me she was waiting on me at 10:30 am Monday and then had sold her to someone else by 12:49 the same day while supposedly checking with her vet to see what testing she had done. I believe things happen for a reason and I have been saved from myself before. But I really fell in love with the pictures of Izzy -- something in her little face just made me want to love her endlessly. I hope the person who does get to provide a loving home for this baby got some answers to these questions. Most of all I hope she does provide her with a loving, safe, and healthy home where the new owner will actually know what she has been tested for. Not Bile Acid Testing a puppy that is so small would be irresponsible. But she may well have the testing, who know???? Not me. I just do not understand why she was so reluctant to answer any of my questions. I would have loved to have seen her and Annie running, playing and bonding with each other. I had just had my sister here with her two yorkies (from my previous litters) and I loved how they were just inseparable. I wanted that for my Annie! I have such a great place for puppies with almost an acre of our property fenced just for them now that my boys are all grown and away. Being retired, I have all the time in the world to spoil them and love them -- they provide me with so much joy! But I know I am already thrice blessed with my 2 yorkies and my youngest son's Jack Russell until he gets out of school. I will enjoy them and think very hard before I put myself through something like this again. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard Last edited by FlDebra; 03-31-2011 at 01:05 AM.