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Originally Posted by kjc

My vet said that LS dogs should not be vaccinated, as vaccines can cause liver and/or Kidney damage in dogs with LS.

That is just amazing to me. Your vet said not to vaccinate a LS dog for lepto, but forgot to tell you to do an ultrasound of the abdomen which would have discovered the shunt and the kidney stones that Tink has? I have to say I don't think I'd personally place a lot of weight in that one's opinion. Just saying.

And concerning the Lepto vac, in general, I found that a 4way Lepto had been developed in 2004, for dogs at risk (hunting dogs and such). I couldn't find that any safer alternative had been used prior to 2009 in combo vacs. I do remember reading about quite a few dogs having reactions to the Lepto vaccine on YT alone, as that was the year I joined YT, and I do believe that they were given the Lepto in a combo vac, but I am not sure.

So if these dogs were given a combo vaccine DHLPP and had reactions, isn't it fair to say it is impossible to know which portion of the vaccine the dog reacted to? The dog may have reacted to Distemper, and the owner may have thought it was lepto, possibly because of what they previously read on YT which also could have been mistaken (and that is how anecdotal evidence gets "developed").

As for if vaccines raise liver enzymes in all dogs, that would be hard to say, because first the dog gets a clean bill of health from the vet before they give the vaccines (sick dogs should not be vaccinated). All mine come home and lay around for a day or two after getting vaccines... I do wonder what is going on inside them. But who gets bloodwork done 1-2 days after being told their pups are healthy? So I doubt there would be much data on this.

My dogs lie around after veterinarian visits in general. The day I started Teddy on his seizure medication was the day we had a vet visit (not a vaccine visit) and we became very alarmed that this new drug was making him catatonic. Turns out the little guy was pooped from his outing. I have never in all 11 years now of vaccinating my two yorkies for core and noncore vaccines see them lay around any more than they would have otherwise from any outing.

(If you read back in this thread, concerning anything I said, only read my actual posts, bc I have been misquoted so many times it's not funny.)

I don't think anyone misquoted you. There was one point we might have misunderstood you. You clarified your statement. But, you continued to say that dogs will have higher liver enzyme elevations after the lepto vaccine than a dog who has a liver shunt. We asked for the information upon which you relied, and you produced a lot of things that are interesting for discussion but none that answered the exact statement you made. The articles you point to do not say what you say they do. There is no credible statement or article in a veterinary journal stating that leptospirosis vaccine will raise the liver enzymes higher than a dog with a LS and that was your statement.

I am curious though. I'm going to have have my dog's blood drawn after the lepto vaccination is administered just to see if this is true. Let's poke Teddy since he has no liver problems and his liver enzymes and BATs are completely normal. Of course, he could have a reaction to the vaccine which might throw off my 'study.'