Thanks for the help. FYI, the little guy went out the door to take a leak in her yard and we didn't realize the snow removal people had piled the snow up so high against the fence he had a ramp he could use to bolt the property. We've corrected the situation, and he's normally never off leash. When I do let him go he's usually dragging his leash with a roll of poop bags on the end -- pretty easy to grab. When he can feel the leash I think he thinks I'm on the other end.