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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama  I have to disagree with this statement. Fact is, there have been more than a few isolated incidents of people using the PM system to sell their dogs that have resulted in some not so great outcomes. Just look at posting numbers and you can get an idea of who is here just to sell their dogs and who is here to educate about and just enjoy the breed. Frankly, if a dog and breeder is good enough to sell via pm's, shouldn't they be good enough to be out in the open about it? The pm's are targeted at newbies who may or may not have lurked around the site enough to know what to look for when choosing a breeder. There is an implied stamp of approval on the breeders who sell through here that really isn't deserved.
Honestly, I would LOVE to see this whole For Sale/Wanted section to go away. I know it's here as a convenience, but it's been abused far too often. |
See, here it is implied again: if someone doesn’t post their puppies for sale for the whole community, then their pups must not be “good enough”. Can you not see the implications of some of your words…especially to the potential pet buyer?
Suppose some really good pet owner is looking for a pup and happens to live in a breeder’s area…they’ve posted they are interested in a pup…By making broad sweeping statements with negative connotations you’ve now lost that puppy a potential good home, because you’ve created this underlying current of suspicion in the poster’s mind. You hurt the puppy, not so much any breeder over all. Care about the future home of the puppy? Then don’t send the potential good pet owner running straight to their local pet store.
There was even someone that posted they won’t respond to PM’s regarding puppies anymore…what a shame…especially if they really are the “good pet owner” they claim to be…puppy loses, they lose, all because they don’t want to take the time to sort out the good from the bad.
No doubt, you’re correct some people, not wanting to take the time to find out if the breeder is on the up and up, have gotten a less than quality pup, but I’m sure just as many, if not more, have gotten terrific pups. Who are you to be the announcer of only half of the facts? If you’re so concerned over what a poster might receive in the PM’s why don’t you go to the trouble of saying -this YT’er seems to care about his/her pups, -this one doesn’t,- this one does,- this one is a maybe, -oh yes this one for sure, -no, not that one, -possibly this one…that’s a little more work, isn’t it? (Better yet, why don’t you post that they should send you all the PM’s they receive and you will sort them out for them)
It seems that would be the responsible thing to do, certainly for those that want to make sure the pup gets the perfect new home or the OP gets the perfect pup, despite the fact it isn’t anyone’s potential pup but the OP’s. According to you it seems you can judge a breeder’s worthiness by how many posts…then say that…Say anyone with under…hmmm, what’s a good number??? 50??? …anyone with under 50 posts is trying to scam you, OP. What would that hurt them anymore, you’ve already implied anyone who PM’s them is out to scam them.
You want the for sale portion removed, for whatever reason you don’t like sellers apparently, or possibly you’re the one that got the bad deal from a PM and I believe it’s clouded your judgment or ability to reason that not everyone is the bad guy.
I do see now where some YT’er’s have now recently changed their posts to say ‘ Regarding PM, some may be good, some may not” Now THAT is acceptable to me as it is closer to the truth. That’s responsible, that’s caring for the future of the pup, despite having little value, as I’m sure the OP already knows to be selective of emails.
I don’t know if you breed…I’m guessing from your post you do not, as far as being “put out there for everyone” – why? Why is it important to you that the whole community be made aware of someone’s puppies and not just the actual person who is currently looking and is currently requesting information as to available puppies in a particular area? Why is it important to you to know of all the puppies YT’ers have for sale? If you’re looking to buy a pup then post your request.
As I’m sure breeders here can attest to (if not, then they are either very lucky or unlucky, depending on one’s point of view) once the large community of YT knows you’ve got a pup for sale too many come a calling. It seems there are things you are unaware of.
“Hi, I live in New York and I’d like to maybe get one of your puppies, if so I’d like it flown to me and I’ll pay the airfare, it’s cheap to fly an animal in the plane’s hold, isn’t it??”
I don’t ship (ok, here basically stops the sale, one would think…why waste their time and mine discussing the puppy further???) Does it really matter if they’d be the best pet owner in the world, if I don’t ship? I don’t ship…that doesn’t change. With time they will find one in their area (unless they’re scared off first by people telling them if anyone (local to them) actually answers their post inquiry is out to scam them)
“Are you sure you don’t ship?”
Are these emails malicious? I really don’t think so. I think they are meant by well meaning people trying to acquire a Yorkie. And well meaning people trying to convince me of the benefits of shipping a puppy via cargo. And well meaning people trying to convince me…etc., etc.
But since I don’t ship…and “I don’t ship” are very key words…meant to be taken seriously…if someone isn’t living in Washington State, Northern Idaho, Montana, or Eastern Oregon (all within an 1 ½ hour drive from me) or if they aren’t visiting/physically present in my immediate area why would I put myself – and them --- through all that? Why not let just those looking for a pup IN MY AREA know?
If you were me wouldn’t you rather hear:
“Hi…I live in the next county and I might be interested in one of your puppies, when would be a good time for me to come look at your pups and talk with you?”
The ONE response from the one actually looking and not the overload of other emails????
I’m not saying all this just for me. I think those that insist upon loading people’s minds with negativity and anecdotal evidence at best, do all pups and their breeders a disservice. It takes a certain mindset to do that, one I will never understand.