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Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend  There came a point in the thread where it stopped being about this one particular breeder and took a turn into exhibitor breeders in general.
We've all already agreed THAT "breeder" is kinda iffy to most of us.  |
I don't think that is agreed upon by all. I would not presume to make a pronoucement on a breeder with so little information known. I am still trying to get a hold of the 5-10 litters a year as that is such a huge range. Available help is another huge concept to add to the equation too. If there is a family or even several paid hands helping to raise the litters, then the load could well be spread out thinner than a much smaller yearly tally with one lone breeder involved. Nancy has already mentioned some situations where you do sensibly use an out-of-standard dog in your program. Bringing color back is the one I see most often alluded to. It was also stated that the member "appears to be in YTCA" but that is not for sure, evidently. Not sure why that is a question -- are they not on the list?
Yorkshire Terrier Club of America About The Club I would also want to know what the "breeder listing site" is and how accurate their information might be. I just don't know enough about the situation to call this mysterious breeder "iffy."
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Originally Posted by jencar98 Gail, I don't understand how it isn't correct.....if a breeder produces 24 dogs and the dogs are not championed, they are normally petted out, right? Regardless of the reason a breeder chooses not to show a specific dog, if the dog isn't shown then the dog becomes a pet. IOW, you have one or the other, either a show dog or a pet dog from the show breeders perspective. And, if a breeder produces 24 puppies to get one Ch. that is still a lot of dogs and that is just one breeder......multiply that 24 number by all of the show breeders and....here ya go Mardelin - more math to do..........you get the picture....it's a bunch of dogs in an already over populated pet market.
The Pat Hastings quote should be telling to/of all show breeders.....how empty would the show ring be if the advice were followed? If the goal is to "improve" the breed....how many show people are actually doing just that? |
No -- if the breeder only champions 1 out of 24, then I would not think the other 23 would all be sold as pets. Some would be sold as show potentials/hopefuls, some would become initial breeding dams/sires for new breeders or other breeders wanting to bring something to their line that these puppies offer. Most of the exhibitor/breeders have people who want to get their lines. When they have puppies, they have waiting lists and they are not all for pets, at all. If a new person wants to get into the breeding/exhibiting circle, they have to start somewhere and it is by convincing one of the seasoned exhibitor/breeders that they are educated and dedicated enough to be trusted with one of their puppies. Those looking to improve their own lines, may reach out to an exhibitor they have seen show dogs with the traits they want to improve.
I don't know who is being referred to in this thread, but why the secrecy and inneundo? Wouldn't it be better to ask the breeder direct? I would want to give them the opportunity to explain information gleened from other sources, see if it is accurate (or the result of a typo or something) and hear their explanation. Sometimes a little information can sound misleading and sometimes its just the tip of an iceberg. But I would not make any judgement based on so little info. Just my opinion though!
