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Old 12-28-2010, 08:52 PM   #3
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I think you need to be licensed and monitored in your practices to be held accountable and responsible in order to be breeding period, ensuring only healthy dogs are bred, at appropriate ages, intervals and overall numbers of litters.

My solution every dog needs a birth certificate and a microchip correlating with it so there's accountability for where, whom and the parentage of each dog out there. These would be used for registration at one large national registry...then we'd know who was breeding who to who, how many etc...pup mills busted, BYB ousted, dna testing should be also used (maternity/paternity testing). Advances in accountability and responsibility not creating more pills and band-aid solutions.

As far as pups being re-homed-with spay/neuter contracts well they are effective when written in conjunction with the state law and when enforced...a better method the standard $500 extra deposit-you get it back when you provide proof of spay neuter-again this requires micro chipping for verification and the trusting of the vet whom signs off on it...

I'm just skeptical about the idea of a pill being out there that can do such...I know people were freaking out on microchips (They'll chip our children!) but hmm I'm still not into the idea of this when it seems a dangerous and band aid solution to common sense evolution in the requirements of responsibility and accountability.
You do realize this link is merely announcing the creation, testing, and pursual of FDA approval for a pill that provides PERMANENT sterilization, right? It is just an alternative to surgical spay and neutering. How is this a bandaid? It is just offering an alternative to costly and sometimes dangerous surgical sterilization. It is NOT trying to be the panacea for all crimes against mankind/dogkind! Think BIG picture here not just breeders, not just yorkies, not just the people who would register a dog! Mixed mutts, dog pounds, shelters, rescues, off standard, genetic health problems, bad temperment, too old, all of the MANY reasons that further procreation is neither needed nor desired.

I think it is great for them to come up with something like this. It is not in the "buy it from your vet" stage, needs more testing and FDA approval. But if I can have this as an alternative to what is sometimes dangerous spaying surgery for a small pup, for instance, I would be researching it! The cost savings would be a Godsend to rescues, shelters, and the poor. Countries with even worse stray dog populations than our own could be helped immensely with a very low-cost sterilization option.

I don't know how it works, don't know the details in effectiveness or the testing accomplished so far. I do think the investigation into the POTENTIAL for a product like this could be beneficial to pet population control. Long way to go before the prescriptions could be written, but I am glad research is being done in this direction. Emphasis on long way to go!

BTW -- you say you want all breeders licensed? Why? Because it has worked out so well with the USDA breeders that are required to be licensed? The very ones that are selling tinies, mixing breeds, running puppymills, brokering, keeping Yorkies so badly matted you don't know there is a dog under there?

You want a "birth certificate" issued by one national registry....hmmmm...we ALREADY HAD that -- the AKC. But the GREEDERS didn't like being held accountable or being banned for poor record keeping and bad breeding practices, so they all started their own registries. Since this is still a free country, can't really stop that from happening.

You mention enforcement and that is a HUGE part of all problems in dog breeding, selling, and ownership. Where are you going to get the money to improve the enforcement? If we had that NOW to enforce what is required NOW, we would have few problems. But none of this has anything to do with the OP's subject. She is just asking what we think about research into a pill alternative to surgical spay & neuter. We really should just stick to that.

Offering an alternative method of sterilization is in NO WAY usurping accountability and responsibility from pet owners, breeders, or anyone else having anything to do with dogs. It is just a potential option when right now we only have the surgery. I can see this having HUGE effects in pet population control. This is not going to make a big difference to those of us here, on a yorkie forum -- it could make a HUGE difference to the unwanted populations -- the poor strays that run the streets, without food, and shelter.
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