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Originally Posted by concretegurl  I've no quams over hijacking this thread and getting off topic since then Op and several others seem to have been banned and suspended... 
Partis by nature of genetics are a rarity-recessive gerontology-the throw back gene Debra refers to-it was the intentional crossing of Partis and Parti carriers and "bringing out of the gene" that caused the dominance of the gene and the recent popularity, also the recent proliferation of 'white" being a predominant color displayed on Parti's ect-I'm not standing up for Debra's position on Parti's here, it's one of the things she and I are total opposites on Parti's I see them as a genetic reminder of the creation of Yorkies and "special" -in rarity, which they aren't so much anymore (you can ask her her beliefs on them that's not for me to state here) but...  she is right when she refers that Partis are often faked-especially while the AKC refused to recognize them, even after they were given I believe it is only "limited registration based on color variation" am I stating that correctly? Hope so Debra will be all over me!  People like to bring out the extreme and if you think you have to screen a breeder-Oh my you really have to scrutinize a Parti breeder! Which is sad, it's such a double standard many reputable Parti breeders believe in their history and breed inclusion as a form of Standard in AKC Yorkie recognition, they work at the perfection and standard adherence the same as any other Yorkie breeder just with a different color variety, yet they catch more flack...
Debra and anyone else,-again I wasn't trying to well anything to Mardelin other than take issue with her wording...Debra...I understand all too well your stance on hybrid dogs-I completely agree with all you said about the issues with irresponsible breeding, but its generalized to me, to any breeding period. I see where the mixing of breeds is overly problematic and now truly understand why even those whom take more precautions in the genetic research and development along with health and temperament certification (like OFA certifying your breeding dogs) of their dogs aren't openly talking about their work with hybrids, breed creation etc-they get crucified and put into a bad breeder category when they may very well do more than most purebred breeders...again I just really don't like double standards, I understand why but I think many don't many just red flag some breeders due to misconception and then assume any purebred breeder to be on the up and up and automatically a "better" breeder... as I've always said before I could easily be seen as the anti-AKC posterchild with my Schnorkie, my Parti Yorkie and my (pure blond EKC) white Miniature Schnauzer, however I believe in the AKC and I truly wish they had more power and more authority to regulate breeding when it comes to encouraging responsible breeding practices associated with those they allow to certify litters etc (you knwo that dog DNA we disagree on-the AKC uses them to test paternity and maturity to verify some dogs in question of linage-just sayin'). also these fly-by-night registries they're money based solely-and as far as vets who vouch for this or that-again all about the mighty dollar I assume-that's especially sad though, then again how many vets work for pup mills etc
' It should not be a hobby breeders lark or worse a puppy mills greed like most every mixed breeding I have read about"-Debra, same is easily said about "purebreds" it is the irresponsible breeding of purebreds that dilute the gene pool more in my mind, but I do see your point-then again look at Briewers, I thought they were exclusively guarded...they getting pretty darn popular with BYB and pup mills here in CA now too..Wow I think I've written a little novel here-oh well it's not like this thread was going in a direction it could have been side tracked form at least it has a more positive sharing of opinions going on now...and well it's still semi on topic of breeding practices right? |
Wow -- don't think I have ever had my name thrown around in one post as many times as this one!!!! I was going to skip but how can I not respond if only to reiterate what I have said before.
I have read just as many scientific explanations that show there is NO "parti" gene in the actual Yorkshire Terrier's past. Where is the white-coated breed in the ACTUAL breed background that would somehow materialize over 100 years later????? No one comes up with a believable origin -- just that there is some gene! I don't buy it. I had to read carefully on both sides and come to my own conclusion. But I do not believe for a minute that there was a white gene in there. Others do and they have just as much right to their opinion as I do. However, the proof is on the side of the parti's. And I have not read anything that convinces me after careful dissection.
The Yorkshire Terrier is a beautiful breed. Many, many years by so many yorkie enthusiasts have gone into improving this magnificent breed. It would be
such a shame in my mind, to try to dilute it, suggest these modern day parti's are all natural Yorkie anomalies and now breed FOR the fault.
To use poor purebred breeders as some excuse for me not to have a stance against "partis" is ridiculous. That is like saying there is only one bad breeding practice and you can't say anything against all others???? Does that make any sense at all? No! I am against purebred breeders who use poor breeding practices, those breeding tinies, those breeding off standard (which includes COLOR by the way), those not selecting the best examples of the breed, those not humanely breeding, those who sell to pet shops, brokers, the list goes on......but I am still against "parti's" as they are a FAULT, a DISQUALIFICATION according to the only two governing breed organizations -- AKC and YTCA.
The "parti" people go out and start their own breed club, try to come up with their own rules, standards, etc..... but then they want to be yorkies too!!! Can't have it both wys. You want to be a yorkie then you go by the rules of the YTCA and AKC (or other country's equivalent -- I don't mean to make this like the US is the end-all but I am not familiar enough with other countries' breed clubs). Now they want to SHOW their dogs at AKC shows when the AKC has said that the color white is going to be an immediate disqualification.
It is sort of like this site -- if you don't like the rules, then you are free to go elsewhere! Don't try to change the WHOLE Yorkshire Terrier world, just because you want to breed off-color dogs. (Speaking of a metaphorical "you" -- not the author of the quoted material).