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Originally Posted by kjcmsw  This I am not confused about: anyone, good breeder or bad is in the business of selling dogs if they sell the dogs. Maybe they do hope to improve the breed, but at what cost? They are not keeping all their puppies, they are selling them...even if it's to support their endeavor to continue to breed/show/improve the breed/whatever, they are in the business of selling dogs to support that or whatever their reasons are. The only people NOT in the business of selling dogs are those that choose to give away their dogs. Yes, breeders do want to sell their dogs, if nothing else they'd be overrun with dogs, if they weren't they would give them away, all of them, each and everyone they chose not to keep for themselves. It's expensive to use dogs for shows, etc...breeders needs to try to recoup some of their investment...that's a fact of life/of breeding. Again, you are generalizing...speaking for all breeders.
Some people are interested in "champion stock" for their "pets" as ---- the breeders themselves are saying (essentially) "look my dog has won this or that, etc...so they are high quality" It's implied here over and over again, that the dogs that win champions are of higher quality/closer to standard...if that's true...is it???....then why wouldn't someone looking to buy a puppy be interested in it's lines, in addition to health, etc. Generally, speaking it is my belief that dogs coming from good stock generally produce puppies of good stock (though we all know not all the pups may be "good"), but according to people here if good stock doesn't matter, then it really doesn't where one purchases their puppy...can't have it both ways. either breeding/showing/etc matters or it does not.
And then it really doesn't matter how their dogs are marketed.
As far as my reference to someone's previous post about their dog being the only one in a particular category...I'm just saying that's what some people lead others/unsuspecting buyers to think a "champion" is, not that I believe their dog is a champion.
My whole point is no one should state that someone is a bad breeder for using words they might not choose to use. They might be a bad breeder for a lot of other reasons, but listing their pups coming from "championship bloodlines" is NOT one of the reasons. Don't assume a breeder isn't up to snuff unless you know them personally, have seen their puppies, spoke with them about their breeding practices, etc., etc., etc., etc. |
I'm not sure I said someone was a bad breeder for using those words, I usually advise puppy buyers to avoid such breeders though. I personally do not think you need to speak to a breeder, know them "personally" or see their puppies to believe that they are a bad breeder, perhaps you need to do all of this and more, to know if someone is a "good" breeder, but in my opinion, someone can qualify as a bad breeder if they only have one strike against them. For example, breeders who sell directly from the website, this is such a gross vialotion of what I believe is in the best interest of the pups, that nothing else they could do, would make me think they were a good breeder. A dog being sold, without intensive interviews of the puppy buyer, is never in the best interest of the dog. Again, not saying anyone here does this, my point is that it takes much more information to know if someone is a good breeder than it does to know that they are a bad breeder. To many bad breeders have learned to "talk the talk."