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Originally Posted by roncassie  Thanks for that. I guess I wll go somewhere else to get help versus a toungue lashing. This must be not a place to seek help or advice. Just one to get criticized.
It is not about the $. I don't want to be a breeder. I do have a few family members that want one.
Why put away wet and a little mess? Well......it was raining some......it is not the first time something was matted to the backside.....Already was planning on a bath in the morning. So speculate all you want....since you must know it all.
I am sure you were completely full of knowledge when you experienced this for the 1st time.
I appreciate your attempt at being a internet bully. I am sure you would not act so high and mighty if you were talking to me directly. I know they are not livestock, thanks for that assumption da.
We had been checking and watching. She was outside for less than 10 minutes and she did not display any behavior that was any different any other time. But you are the expert and have the 100% hind sight and could have prevented it.
I understand why the 1st death, but not the second. Which you had no comment on.
So my impression of a great place to share about yorkies has been turnd around by a person with a high and mighty opinion. Thanks for that! Flame on....because I expect it. |
I tried hard to make sure I had no name-calling or personal insults in my reply. I made sure to address the situation and not the person. I DID want you to understand breeding a yorkie is serious and that you had done grievious harm to your pups.
Did I know everything the first time I experienced my yorkie whelping? No, but I was well-read, mentored, and schooled by countless hours reading in the Breeder Talk here and other sites. I had my dogs tested and examined prior to breeding. I think I was prepared for just about every eventuality, knew what to look for, what to do,when to call in a vet, how to help the mom, what to do for the pup, how to examine them, what to watch the pups for.....etc.... I even had notes made up in case I forgot anything in the excitement. I had my supplies at the ready weeks before the date. I knew the day she would have the puppies and watched her like a hawk. I would never have let her go out in the rain alone at that time. I would not have let her alone in a garage or anywhere else for that matter. I wanted to make sure I was with her to help if needed. When she did have her pups, I tried to get her to have them in the prepared playyard with a whelping box. She didn't want to and kept moving to my bed. I decided to let her have her way, laid out an old comforter and let her have them there in my own bed so she would be comfortable and not try moving during the process. All I worried about was her being comfortable enough to safely have her pups. All went well.
A little over a year later, I did all the same preparation, all the same things as recommended and lost my girl. I was heartbroken! I took the blame because it was me who decided to let her breed. We HAVE to take the responsibility when something goes wrong. As it turned out, I could not handle that and have now neutered my male and will spay my new girl as soon as she is big enough. It hurts my heart that anyone would enter so lightly into this serious challenge of breeding a dear sweet yorkie. I hand-raised the 5 little pups Sadie left me. To think of any one of them alone on a cold, damp garage floor, breaks my heart.
I was upset that you would think nothing of putting a wet and poopy pregnant dog into a wire kennel for the night. I just can't imagine that feeling right to anyone. You obviously care about your dog in your way. I think there is something missing for you to be a good breeder though. You say you don't want to be a breeder, but breeding your dog as you did makes you one regardless how often or for how much money you do it. You can tell your cavalier attitude about your pregnant mom has upset many here on YT. We feel differently about these tiny bundles of joy than many do about their dogs. They are so fragile, so easily hurt, we MUST take a greater interest in their well-being. The old "momma dogs will take care of business themself" is not necessarily true about toy breeds. People bred them this fragile and people need to be responsible to help them. I think you are spending more time justifying yourself than actually letting these things sink in. That is why I think you should not breed your dog again. Not understanding how wrong this was is the biggest worry.
I am not your judge. You asked for advice. The advice is to spay your dog. I know that is not what you asked but people have to give you what they can in good conscious. I could not suggest ways to improve future breedings for you because you were not understanding the depths of what you did wrong. I am not perfect, and I guess I gave myself the same advice I am giving you as I did not think I could go through ever putting another yorkie girl in harm's way.
I would tell you the same thing in person and actually have told people in person to spay their pets and not consider breeding when I thought they were not right for the challenge. It is not a personal attack on you -- I don't know you. But you gave us the information that made most of us the reach the same conclusion -- spay your girl. Love her, enjoy her, keep her clean and dry and well attended.