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Originally Posted by Woogie Man  A couple of comments on part of your post.
"The AKC has proven the Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier.. we are on the way to showing that the Biewer is the same.."
I'm guessing by this statement that you are a Biewer owner that believes Biewers are Yorkies, as some do and some don't. One thing I've found odd about Biewers is that, when asked about the differences in Biewers and Yorkies, many have replied about a difference in temperament and that Biewers are more laid back. To me this is very telling as temperament is one thing that is absolutely inherited and the Terrier attitude is a hallmark of a Yorkie. This difference in temperament noted by Biewer owners begs the question if they are Yorkies or not.
"but we KNOW there is a variation of that dog.. we know what they are and how special they are and we are just as determined to see them get their rightful place in the show ring as you are to keep them out."
As pointed out before, many variations of the breed have no place in the show ring. The goal of having pure bred dogs is to have them breed pure. Variations from the standard, no matter how 'cute', have no place in the conformation ring.
This can be done right, or this can just be done..
Now this just sounds like a threat. I get all sorts of very funny pictures in my head just thinking how this would be done. A coup d'etat on the YTCA, perhaps? |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woogie Man A couple of comments on part of your post.
"The AKC has proven the Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier.. we are on the way to showing that the Biewer is the same.."
I'm guessing by this statement that you are a Biewer owner that believes Biewers are Yorkies, as some do and some don't. One thing I've found odd about Biewers is that, when asked about the differences in Biewers and Yorkies, many have replied about a difference in temperament and that Biewers are more laid back. To me this is very telling as temperament is one thing that is absolutely inherited and the Terrier attitude is a hallmark of a Yorkie. This difference in temperament noted by Biewer owners begs the question if they are Yorkies or not.
"but we KNOW there is a variation of that dog.. we know what they are and how special they are and we are just as determined to see them get their rightful place in the show ring as you are to keep them out."
As pointed out before, many variations of the breed have no place in the show ring. The goal of having pure bred dogs is to have them breed pure. Variations from the standard, no matter how 'cute', have no place in the conformation ring.
This can be done right, or this can just be done..
Now this just sounds like a threat. I get all sorts of very funny pictures in my head just thinking how this would be done. A coup d'etat on the YTCA, perhaps? |
You make some valid points.. all I can say is if you were spend a few minutes at my house.. you would be able to tell in an instant that I have a housefull of Yorkies!! While they are loving, gentle souls, I'd hate to be the chipmunk under the fence they chased down last night and I certainly don't need a door bell. The Biewer is however a LINE of dogs.. I would think a specific line if bred together constantly may tend to display a specific temperment? Just as you would breed a line of aggressive dogs to create aggression, you may tend to breed a specific line of yorkies to present a specific temperment. The dogs from Germany were after all bred very closely in a very small country. I don't think simply adding a variation in color can change a dogs personality, however I'm not sure of that either.. I know years ago when I bred cockers, I was told the Parti Cocker had a different personality but I can't prove that one way or the other.
Now.. the Coup d'etat statement regarding the YTCA.. that's a funny one, even made me giggle! But I can see how you took it the wrong way.. What I'm saying is.. we will continue to breed the Parti Yorkies with or without the YTCA.. but it would be so much better to be done WITH them. Then, there could be input, discussions, a meeting of the minds.. an understanding of each others points of view.. compromises and guidelines.. That, in my mind.. would be the right way..
The other way is just an group of people trying to achieve some goals.. eventually, we will become united and work together but what damage could be done before that time??? For example, most of us are extremely cautious.. all dogs that don't stay in my program and leave my home are neutered prior to leaving and all females are sold strictly on a spay contract unless they go to people I know personally and who work under the same guidelines I have set up for myself. The registry I use keeps records using a different code for pups that are carriers so we can track lines..(these are Biewers..obviously the AKC does it differently) I do not breed to put color into the yorkie population.. the carriers stay in my working program (or other trusted programs) or they do not reproduce.
These are the types of things that can be done to help assure the mainstream community of our intentions.. I'm sure there are other things too that could come out of open discussions between us.. where as slamming the door in our face is not as productive.
Diana
