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Old 05-19-2010, 07:37 PM   #125
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Is there an automatic DQ rule for dogs who have a slight overbite, or a coat that isn't the ideal silk? How about the black and gold yorkies who have won champion titles, these dogs will never be steel blue and tan because they do not carry the gene that will dilute their coats to the standards desired blue color ... will these dogs be stripped of their titles? Why the automatic DQ for parti, chocolate and golden?

In a TNT Article by Carl Yochum, president of the YTCA, he states "The parti colored, chocolate and tan solid colored yorkies are nothing but designer dogs." News - Bulletin Board

The YTCA's website also calls Parti yorkies "Designer dogs" Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

But early history clearly writes, that off color has shown up in the breed since the beginning of the breed.

The YTCA's website article states:

A brief history of the development of the Yorkshire Terrier will show that the dog was developed in the 1800’s. In England, the Waterside Terrier was often crossed with the old English terrier, a silky coated black and tan or blue and tan terrier weighing around five pounds. When crafters from Scotland came into England, they brought several “Scotch“terriers, among them the Paisley and the Clydesdale. The Paisley was a small silky coated dog in various shades of blue. The Clydesdale was a blue and tan dog with the exact color pattern as the Yorkie of today. All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today.

The article states that No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed ... BUT

The Otter hound was used in the makeup of the Waterside terrier - Waterside terriers were used in the make up of the Yorkie according to the YTCA's Yorkie history page. Color's of the Otter hounds were not only grizzle and blue and tan but also piebald, chocolate and tan colored. Otterhound Colors

The YTCA article goes on to state that scotch terriers or broken haired scotch terriers were used in the make up of the yorkie but there are numerous early writings of blue, tan or white colored scotch terriers, see a few links here:

Kennel Club calendar & stud book - Google Books

British rural sports: comprising ... - Google Books

1861: Shows At Leeds, Birmingham, And Manchester. Continued

Books also mention white Yorkshire Terriers, here's one link:

A manual of toy dogs: how to breed ... - Google Books

Some of the first prize winning yorkshire terriers were blue and tan born Yorkies.
The American book of the dog: The ... - Google Books

Numerous early writings also state that the maltese were used in the make up of the yorkshire terrier. Maltese were used to enhance the texture and length of the yorkies coat ... Maltese display the maximum expression of the piebald gene ... they're just one big white spot!

In addition to the above writings, parti and other off colors have appeared in well known old time breeders and in well known show breeders lines, in addition to Nikkos, parti also has been seen in the Wildweir and Parquin kennel.

So I'm not sure how a group of people can say that something never happened or that these off colors are a result of being "designer (made) dogs" when early writings state that these off colors have been seen since the beginning? How can they say that No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed when history clearly shows that dogs who carried white and other off colors, were used in the make up of this breed?

People can pick and choose to believe what they want to believe; they can see what they want to see (or see what others only want them to see) but for me, I see recessive genes at work, and these genes have made their appearances in the breed since it's beginning. So now I ask, what makes a yorkie a yorkie ... is it it's blue and tan coat color or is it the dogs unbroken, documented bloodline and heritage?

Written standards are a wonderful guide for trying to achieve that "perfect" goal but standards should not be taken so literally that it discriminates and casts aside healthy dogs, solely because of their nonstandard coat color - these being the same non standard colors that have been documented in many early books about the breed.

Just something for all to think about ....
I will still show what the standard calls for as long as it's healthy. If I produce a healthy parti it will be placed in a pet home and again parents spayed and neutered. Of course it's a recessive gene if it's being produced, genetics is genetics.
Call me hard headed LOL but as long as the rule is in place it's to be followed. I try and not break any rules as that is what I was taught call me weird but I see things the way it's to be followed. Until the standard changes I will abide by it.
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