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Originally Posted by dwerten  so did i ever call her doctor a quack? It is common knowledge that most doctors and vets do not know much about nutrition unless they specialize in it. sorry but you need to read her other posts on the other threads and would be happy to link here or pm you with them. I have been here helping for years and she is the only one that has responded rudely. Actually most people are very nice and appreciative to one another knowing no one is a vet here - they are coming to a public forum for information, support and education from other dog owners as they have a vet or specialist that sees there dog
I am not going to be made to feel uncomfortable in helping someone walking on egg shells as then that just makes people who do not like confrontation uncomfortable and not want to help people with information that may be helpful so i think that is wrong. Everyone should be able to post helpful things and the owner can make their OWN mind up on what is best for their dog
If i post a thread and everyone responds I gather that info do my own research consult vet or specialist and then do what i feel is best for my dog and i think everyone else does the same at least i thought that is how it works here. |
Sometimes it is not what we say but how we say it. I don't want to offend anyone...I just feel I need to say some things here. I do not think Mary was being rude at all. I hate to see this thread go on like this because it really is about Lola , but it has already gone a bit off and I feel like I need to say this.
I sometimes feel that you want everyone to mistrust their vets the way that you do. It is common theme in your posts. I know you feel strongly about holistic vets and that is your choice. I believe there is a place for holistic treatments, but not in place of tried and tested/proven medical treatments. I don't know how your person feels about HW prevention, but I have seen people tout holistic prevention and it makes me want to scream. Then, if the pups get heartworms, they scream about the treatments. Just scary stuff to me. Once they can do research that proves the medical community is wrong, I will stand up and listen. I am certain that the medical community would as well.
The problem on this forum as I see it is that many people continue to diagnose and it really is scary. I have seen over reactions and also under reactions. I just do not understand why people feel such a need to diagnose a persons pup based on only what they are reading on the internet. People without any veterinary medical education whatsoever. And, to tell people to go to their vet and tell the vet what tests to do. Unbelievable to me. I can see suggesting that they go to a vet (which is absolutely the first and best advice to give anyone) and ask the vet his/her feelings about a possible liver shunt or whatever some online person has decided the pup has. I also see people telling people oh don't worry it will go away...uhhhh a vet???? Makes me want to scream sometimes. I just saw a thread today where a person was told their pup could have anything from mange to Cushings....no one has even seen this pup....the person needs to take his pet to a vet if it is covered with scabs. I posted about this before...about how someone could get sued...well, I guess it will just have to happen one day and happen it probably will. People do not realize how serious this can be...diagnosing when you are not trained to do so.
As for Mary being rude. I don't see that at all. She is a very straight forward person as am I.
She and I have the same backgrounds and have had some medical training. You will not see us diagnosing and telling people their vets are not trained in nutrition. As for nutrition, there are vets who are trained in nutrition! We just cannot simply assume that everyone's vet is not trained in nutrition. As for foods being cancerous....there are many things that are cancerous. We cannot stop living. No one was suggesting to feed that pup fish for the rest of it's life...how we got to where we are is amazing. Why couldn't we just offer support...maybe suggest foods that might be good and be done with it. Why go on and on and on and on? Sometimes it is just too much...we cannot force people to do what we think. There is no reason to argue about anything. Lola needed to eat and a few pieces of tilapia I hardly doubt are going to give her cancer.
We also should not be making diagnoses without first of all having the proper training to do so...and then....seeing the pups, touching them, doing labs and xrays...
One thing to offer your experiences...quite another to go past the line and tell people how to treat...or insinuate their vet is steering them the wrong way. My vet has saved my pups lives on many occasions...and yes, she is top notch; but she is not the only top notch vet in the world.
You say you gather information...the problem as I see it is there is SO much information that it is overwhelming. How in the world can a person figure out what to believe and what to leave behind. People need to seek a vet out....first! Then, perhaps come here with a diagnosis and ask for tips in dealing with the treatments ordered by the vet.
This is just my opinion, and I don't expect everyone to agree. I merely share when I feel I should. I do believe many people cross the line on YT.