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Originally Posted by chachi That male should have been neutered a long time ago. No wonder alot of breeders are just spay or neutering there pups before they leave. |

Sorry to say but in todays world anymore a "man/woman's handshake" doesn't mean anything...Also a lot of breeder have learned to say what sounds to be "responsible" breeding contracts and never follow up on their dogs. Just lazy on their parts and they are not doing anything for the betterment of the breed...just helping to add more puppies to an over populated pet world.