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Originally Posted by livingdustmops  Look, this is ridiculous...she is not saying secrets....but there is more to the story. Who made the decision that these were Yorkies but they could not be shown. Was this negotiated? Did the two woman only care about their dogs being registered with AKC and not showing? Who knows what discussions took place. How long was the process? Where are the letters of documentation on the Parti's with the AKC?
You do need to consider conformation...it is part of the breeding process (the bitches size, width etc) and needs to be considered if you are breeding. I have never heard any of you talk about the gene that created this in the Parti's, why not. Do you believe it is a piebald recessive gene or a Irish Spotting gene or both?...The Parti is just a name...How often did the two ladies breed back to Yorkies or are they only breeding Parti to Parti now? Is this all you ladies are going to do?
The Parti's and the Biewers have not been in the lines forever...where ever did you get that idea?
Look, all of this went down in 1999 for the Parti's..maybe one day the Parti's can go into the showring...who knows...but if you ladies do not history of what really happened then 100 years from now everyone will be searching for the truth. The two woman are still alive so go get their side of the story and I hope it is written down by one of them. This is the problem with the Biewers...it is all based on here say and other garbage.
If you care about this breed and their betterment then digging for the truth is important. |
Well woluld you care to share what more thereis to the story, so we can all be enlightened?
The AKC made the decision that theswe were pure bred partis after DNAing 42 litters of puppies and their parents. and after talking with other top show breeders who admitted to having had "more parti colored pups in their litters than Nikko ever had".
The decison NOT to allow them to be shown is teh YTCA's, lot the AKC's. the AKC is a breed registry not a color registry and the have to allow pure bred yorkies to be registered.
I do not know if they had hopes of being able to show them, they probably did since they were show breeders. But they believed that a litter born to two pure bred yorkies, should be allowed to be registered as yorkies and not tossed to the side or put to death.
The process took several years and several generations. I'm not sure on the exact duration. And I myself am in posession of a copy of the letter from the AKC stating that they were satisfied that the parti color is a natural part of the Yorkshire Terrier makeup. It was agreed that every parti puppy would be evaluated individually through photos as to wshether or not they would be issued a certrificate.
I do consider conformation. But first the dog must be healthy, if it does not meet that test it is not considered for breeding, second it must have a good temperament, if it does not meet that criteria it is not considered for breeding. conformation comes after that.
There was a thread a while back where show breeders admitted that conformatilon came before health and temperament. I find that disturbing. that will lead to the same problems that were revealed in that video.
Others admitted to dying the coats, trimming the feet to hide feet that were turned in or out and all types of enhancements.
They are not showing dogs with propeer conformation, they are making dogs look like they conform. It is nothing more than a beauty pagent. FAKE
I have partis that could probably be shown if I dyed their hair.
As for the name of the gene, I do not know.
Loryn Bogren at Crownridge still breeds partis to carriers. As for me I have a parti stud now, he is not old enough yet, I also have a golden that is a parti carrier.
If you follow the yorkshire terrier breed back to it's origin, you will see that some of the dogs that were used to create the yhorkie were spotted. The gene has been there all along.
Joan Gorden talks of tri colored puppies and how they were incorrect and should be culled.
Before Sue White and I got to researching, there was very little out there on the parti color. We researched and dug up every bit of information we could find. We did not just go into this blind. We went right to the source.
As for the Biewers, I do not know. I am interested in everything I read about it and curious as to whether or not the parti and the Biewer did have the same origin. I have no input on that, I'm learning. And I am open to any sound piece of information that anyone comes up with on the parti, although I doubt there is much out there that we have missed.
So you see, we have gotten their side of the story and their breedings are well documented.
I have nothing aginst show breeders, I have nothing against anyone, I can disagree with someone ln olne thread and joke with them on the next. I do not know you personally, I ssume that you are a very nice person. I assume everyone is nice until I find out otherwise.
But the whole disreputable BYB thing is getting a little old. Every breed that has been created has been done so by people who think outside the box. That does not mean that we do not have ethics