Interesting thread to read everyone's points of view.
I never heard of them when I got Buddy. Have had dogs in
the past, all trained to potty outdoors so this was the only way
I knew. I am happy really I did'nt know about them. I may
have become alittle lazy and used them at times. Heavens
knows it would have been easier in the rain, sleet, snow
and ice. Especially getting up at six and staggering outdoors in
the rain dragging Buddy along because he also hates getting wet
and wearing his raincoat

Going up and down 15 steps 4x
daily is good for my heart anyhow I'm told