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jp4m2 · 10-22-2009, 04:11 PM

I absolutely will not get the shot and no one in my family will either, that includes ALL flu shots....... I haven't had a flu shot in three decades I remember having the I had the flu twice......
I've been reading about flu shots for the last few weeks and from all the info out I've read I have to say there are a multitude of reasons of why I would not get one........

One of the reasons I will not get one is because the studies say they typically don't work........These are from just a couple of sources stating this....

This is quote is from The Cochrane Report,(which is is a group of over 10,000 volunteers in more than 90 countries who review the effects of health care interventions tested in biomedical randomized controlled trials. )

In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies, middle aged adults and the elderly.

also....

In October 2008, the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine reported that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons. The researchers concluded that significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting.

This is quote is from the former FDA chief.....

The National Institutes of Health researchers, basing their findings on more than 30 years of U.S. flu-shot data, announced that giving flu shots to the elderly has not saved any lives. "There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway," according to Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly chief vaccine control officer at the FDA.

Another reason I won't get a flu shot is because the death rate from the flu shot is much, much lower than the CDC is trying to make people believe...It is no where near the 36,000 they are stating.........

The CDC and media often cite the statistic that there are nearly 36,000 influenza deaths annually. However, upon closer inspection of data from the National Center for Health Statistics of the CDC, this is a misleading figure. For example, the report of preliminary statistics of death in 2002 shows that only 753 cases of influenza-related deaths were reported compared with 65,231 cases of pneumonia-related deaths. When the CDC compiled the final data, influenza and pneumonia cases are combined, yielding a misleading representation of reported influenza cases. Therefore, pneumonia deaths related to factors such as immunosuppression therapy, AIDS, malnutrition and a variety of other predisposing medical conditions are combined with seasonal influenza statistics. The constant broadcast of “36,000 annual influenza deaths” is misleading and unethical by its apparent intended use of fear to promote vaccination.

Here's where the numbers come from: The health department and the CDC start by looking at the average number of pneumonia deaths during a given period of time. If the flu is present at that time, the marked increases in the number of pneumonia deaths are noted. All deaths that exceed the initial average number of pneumonia deaths are classified under the flu.

Year // US Influenza Fatalities

1979 -- 604
1981 -- 3006
1983 -- 1431
1985 -- 2054
1987 -- 632
1989 -- 1593
1991 -- 1137
1993 -- 1044
1995 -- 606
1996 -- 745
1997 -- 720
1998 -- 1724
1999 -- 1665
2000 -- 1765
2001 -- 257

TOTAL -- 18,983
AVERAGE -- 1,266

There where a couple of years when the virus in the vaccine was guessed wrong so when the vaccine was distributed is was essentially worthless for those years. You would expect the death rate to rise dramatically in those years since no one had received an effective vaccine but they did not they stayed close to normal.......This is the quote......

Flu "experts" often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective. This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu -- typical annual numbers.

In 2004, flu vaccine manufacturers were unable to produce enough flu shots to accommodate everyone who wanted a flu vaccine. (Several batches were contaminated and had to be destroyed.) Thus, only half of the population that is normally vaccinated against influenza (approximately 45 million people versus 90 million during an average year) received the vaccine. If influenza is truly a deadly disease, as officials claim, the 2004-2005 flu season should be catastrophic. If, as the CDC claims, 36,000 people die every year from the flu when 90 million people are vaccinated against the disease, how many more will die when only 45 million people are "protected?

Then there's the toxic chemicals in the vaccines......I don't understand how it's worse to get the flu than to inject toxic chemicals in your body that are going to accumulate in the brain and cause problems years down the road. The trade off just doesn't make sense.....

Many people who take the flu vaccine do not experience any noticeable short term side effects. However, a number of short term side effects have been reported which include muscle pain, respiratory tract infections, eye problems, abnormal blood pressure, asthma, hives and gastrointestinal problems. The more subtle, long term effects, affect everyone. According to renowned immunogeneticist Hugh Fudenberg, people who have had five flu shots over a ten year period, have increase their risk of getting Alzheimer's disease ten times. The reason being that the flu vaccine contains aluminum and mercury. As these heavy metals gradually build up in the brain they cause difficulty in multitasking, trouble with arithmetic, difficulty with thinking and language skills and memory loss. As a result of flu vaccinations the cases of Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple. Another toxic ingredient found in the flu vaccine is formaldehyde, which is known to cause cancer.

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene....This is a quote about the dangers of squalene.....

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a retired principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

“… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

If anyone cares to do some reading these are helpful links....

National Vaccine Information Center ? Vaccine Watch Dog

Vaccination Liberation Information

Search Center - Search.mercola.com

Does the Vaccine Matter? - The Atlantic (November 2009)

10-22-2009, 04:11 PM	#10
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: w/ my boys Posts: 5,056	I absolutely will not get the shot and no one in my family will either, that includes ALL flu shots....... I haven't had a flu shot in three decades I remember having the I had the flu twice...... I've been reading about flu shots for the last few weeks and from all the info out I've read I have to say there are a multitude of reasons of why I would not get one........ One of the reasons I will not get one is because the studies say they typically don't work........These are from just a couple of sources stating this.... This is quote is from The Cochrane Report,(which is is a group of over 10,000 volunteers in more than 90 countries who review the effects of health care interventions tested in biomedical randomized controlled trials. ) In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies, middle aged adults and the elderly. also.... In October 2008, the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine reported that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons. The researchers concluded that significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting. This is quote is from the former FDA chief..... The National Institutes of Health researchers, basing their findings on more than 30 years of U.S. flu-shot data, announced that giving flu shots to the elderly has not saved any lives. "There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway," according to Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly chief vaccine control officer at the FDA. Another reason I won't get a flu shot is because the death rate from the flu shot is much, much lower than the CDC is trying to make people believe...It is no where near the 36,000 they are stating......... The CDC and media often cite the statistic that there are nearly 36,000 influenza deaths annually. However, upon closer inspection of data from the National Center for Health Statistics of the CDC, this is a misleading figure. For example, the report of preliminary statistics of death in 2002 shows that only 753 cases of influenza-related deaths were reported compared with 65,231 cases of pneumonia-related deaths. When the CDC compiled the final data, influenza and pneumonia cases are combined, yielding a misleading representation of reported influenza cases. Therefore, pneumonia deaths related to factors such as immunosuppression therapy, AIDS, malnutrition and a variety of other predisposing medical conditions are combined with seasonal influenza statistics. The constant broadcast of “36,000 annual influenza deaths” is misleading and unethical by its apparent intended use of fear to promote vaccination. Here's where the numbers come from: The health department and the CDC start by looking at the average number of pneumonia deaths during a given period of time. If the flu is present at that time, the marked increases in the number of pneumonia deaths are noted. All deaths that exceed the initial average number of pneumonia deaths are classified under the flu. Year // US Influenza Fatalities 1979 -- 604 1981 -- 3006 1983 -- 1431 1985 -- 2054 1987 -- 632 1989 -- 1593 1991 -- 1137 1993 -- 1044 1995 -- 606 1996 -- 745 1997 -- 720 1998 -- 1724 1999 -- 1665 2000 -- 1765 2001 -- 257 TOTAL -- 18,983 AVERAGE -- 1,266 There where a couple of years when the virus in the vaccine was guessed wrong so when the vaccine was distributed is was essentially worthless for those years. You would expect the death rate to rise dramatically in those years since no one had received an effective vaccine but they did not they stayed close to normal.......This is the quote...... Flu "experts" often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective. This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu -- typical annual numbers. In 2004, flu vaccine manufacturers were unable to produce enough flu shots to accommodate everyone who wanted a flu vaccine. (Several batches were contaminated and had to be destroyed.) Thus, only half of the population that is normally vaccinated against influenza (approximately 45 million people versus 90 million during an average year) received the vaccine. If influenza is truly a deadly disease, as officials claim, the 2004-2005 flu season should be catastrophic. If, as the CDC claims, 36,000 people die every year from the flu when 90 million people are vaccinated against the disease, how many more will die when only 45 million people are "protected? Then there's the toxic chemicals in the vaccines......I don't understand how it's worse to get the flu than to inject toxic chemicals in your body that are going to accumulate in the brain and cause problems years down the road. The trade off just doesn't make sense..... Many people who take the flu vaccine do not experience any noticeable short term side effects. However, a number of short term side effects have been reported which include muscle pain, respiratory tract infections, eye problems, abnormal blood pressure, asthma, hives and gastrointestinal problems. The more subtle, long term effects, affect everyone. According to renowned immunogeneticist Hugh Fudenberg, people who have had five flu shots over a ten year period, have increase their risk of getting Alzheimer's disease ten times. The reason being that the flu vaccine contains aluminum and mercury. As these heavy metals gradually build up in the brain they cause difficulty in multitasking, trouble with arithmetic, difficulty with thinking and language skills and memory loss. As a result of flu vaccinations the cases of Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple. Another toxic ingredient found in the flu vaccine is formaldehyde, which is known to cause cancer. Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin. In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene....This is a quote about the dangers of squalene..... According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a retired principle research scientist for the government of Australia: “… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War. The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii] If anyone cares to do some reading these are helpful links.... National Vaccine Information Center ? 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