[harleyyorkie]

Thanks Mistyrain, I can feed him anytime after 3pm when I get home from work. I have tried as early as 3:30 -4pm and as late as 6:30 pm. I have seen the little bugger hold his poo until 12 hours afterward, which I would not have beleved if I hadn't witnessed it! We are doing better now, we've had three nights in a row with no soiling of the crate during 11 pm -6 am. I have had to take him out in the middle of the night though 2 out of 3 nights, but that's ok as long as he doesn't do it in the crate. I have "upped the value of the night-night crate" ( I have two for him, one in the living room for day time use, and one in the bedroom for night time) in his mind by putting a really soft cushy fleece pad in there and am feeding him at least one meal in the crate. I have not put a fleece pad in the day time one yet. He will still pee in the day time crate when I am gone (no longer than 2 1/2 hours) so maybe the part of not being able to hold his bladder until 6 months of age is the reason, he's only 5 months now. We'll keep at it!