My memory gets worse every day.

I thought Chachi tooks hers to the groomer, though.
It just takes time to learn and it is by trial and error, too.

I used to do Muffin after she got past her crazy puppy years. I'd kill Kacee if I tried to do her, so I won't even attempt it for a long time!
What I think helps is if you can get their hair groomed just like you want it and then don't let it grow out very much before you trim it. It's kind of like having a pattern to go by then.