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Originally Posted by QuickSilver  ...which means... what? That I must be wrong?
If you can't see that calling someone stupid or slanderous is rude, I can't talk with you. There has to be a basic level of respect between people debating. I'm not going to respond to you anymore because we don't seem to be able to connect in any productive way.
chattiesmom, I brought VS up as an example of another trainer because someone said that any trainer would be getting criticized like Cesar, simply by being on television. VS is a valid counter example, even if she's not explicitly mentioned in the thread title. If you don't know much about her, I encourage you to watch her, as I think you would like her very much.
I absolutely disagree that Cesar knew what was going to happen. Absolutely not. Are you really saying he was planning to get repeatedly bitten by a dog? Again, what if the leash had broken? I would lay odds that if you asked him, he would say he made a mistake. Yes, it's true all trainers make mistakes, and all trainers get bitten. To again, I must say: put a net under your high wire act. If a dog is volatile, then don't use a high pressure technique.
As for whether I've seen a dog choked, no, I have never seen someone throttle a dog to death, if that's what you mean. Have I see a dog's air supply cut off briefly? Sure. For the record, I don't think Cesar was abusing the husky, though I can't be certain. I think he started too rough as he often does, and the dog reacted in a not especially surprising way.
To be frank, I will never work with a trainer like Cesar because I do not agree with his philosophy and I don't connect with his energy thing at all. I started this thread feeling much more ambivalent about Cesar, but I was quite shocked when I re-watched some of his earlier episodes, where I think the dog body language was much less ambiguous than the two cases we're discussing here. VS on the other hand... well, she'd probably make me cry, but I would love to learn from her.
I still need to watch the Akita episode. |
Hold on!!!!d
Show me exactl;y where I called anyone stupid. I do not use that term in my normnal daily life, so I know I did n ot use it here.
Slanderous, yes, but it was towards someone who claimed that Cesar abuses dogs regularly. I called them out on it and will colntinue to do so. If you make such accusations and claim to have first hand knowledge of it I will call you out on it too.
If that episode with the huskey was abusive and Cesar leaves all of his abuse on the cutting room floor, then why was tis episode aired.???
Before acusing me of anything you had better be able to show the proof. tell which post number I called anyone stupid. And don't just quote it because quotes can be altered, I want the actual post number.
I have debated on here on many threads, and I do not resort to name calling, I state my side. I leave the name calling to others.
I never said that he knew what was going to happen, I said just the opposite. Are you sure you do nopt have me mixed up withsomeone else.
I have watched VS, I have stated several times that I do not like bribing dogs to do something. Just teach them how to be good pack members and that will resolve most minor behavior isues.
I never asked if you had seen a dog choked, are you sure you don't have me confused with someone else?
If that episode was so abusive, and so incriminating and he cuts all of his episodes to only show the good stuff, why did he air that one??
I respect you and I respect everyones right to thier own opinions. But no one has a right to make slanderous comments about some one unless they have proof of what they are talking about and not just gossip that they have read in some internet chatroom.
ARe you sure it is me you are talking about??? Cause none of that sounds like me.