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Originally Posted by QuickSilver  With all due respect then, why isn't VS the topic of this kind of debate? I know she's smaller than Cesar, but wouldn't you agree her methods are less controversial? |
Mercury, remember, this is the Cesar Debate Thread, not the VS debate thread. I don't know anything about VS, but I am sure that some of her techniques are successful. I want to sincerely thank you for starting this thread, for the most part this has been a debate and/or sharing of information without trying to cram ideas down each other's throats.
Back to the Husky.... my speakers don't work so I am at a huge disadvantage. I have watched that short clip no less than a dozen times and each time what I see is a very directed training session. I didn't see Cesar making an error in judgement, I never saw abuse and I believe that he knew exactly what was going to happen, and what the ultimate outcome was going to be BEFORE the cameras started rolling.
As far as the dog choking and gasping for breath, I have pondered this all afternoon. Mercury, have you actually seen an animal that was choking due to a rope being too tight around his neck? I can tell you that an animal that has a rope around his neck and is choking will use his feet to try to bat at the rope, he will sling his head side to side and after a very short time his tounge will be hanging out of the side of his mouth, and he will definately not have enough energy to make lunge at the rope holder.
I truly wish that you could work with a "Cesar" type trainer in person so that you could get the whole picture. The television program only provides the viewer with a very small piece of the puzzle. And because of that it is impossible to piece together what is really happening. Only when you get a clear view of the whole training puzzle, unbiased by the opinions of others will you be able to make a true determination whether or not the methods used are to your liking. Unfortunatnely, reading what others say about an individual serves no real purpose except to prejudice one either in favor of or against that person. If I want to decide if I like Cesar Milan's methods, it would be far better to read his books, to watch him in action, go to his website, etc., and trust your own instincts about his methods rather than read someone else's opinion about him.
And when we've finished with Cesar, let's debate another great trainer -- so we can all learn even more.