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Originally Posted by QuickSilver  Seriously? 100 years ago, women didn't vote! 
I think part of the reason that there's so much argument about training techniques is because we are still learning so much about this area. I'm sure our understanding will continue to grow, and who knows, maybe in 20 years, clicker training will sound ridiculous.
I don't think anyone can disagree with Cesar 100%, or even 50%, because how can you disagree that dogs need exercise? However, the fact that he uses way too much force in maybe 10% of his cases -- to me, this is like a teacher that only physically abuses her students 10% of the time. If he were just some guy with a successful training business, that would be one thing, but NG is legitimizing his techniques, some of which are just wrong. Britster, here is what I think about the "weak energy" -- I expect my groomer to be good with dogs, but not a seasoned trainer, so maybe he needs the extra help of keeping the me out of the room. I'm fine with that. But someone who is being billed as a Dog Whisperer should be able to do ANYTHING with the owner sitting there. Cesar was complaining about an owner coming in when he was working with dog on dog aggression. VS has done countless sessions with dog aggression, and the owner is ALWAYS there.
I do agree with you on the dominance word  , Cesar seems to throw it around a lot, it often simply seems to mean "obnoxious behavior."
By the way, I don't think Cesar lovers are afraid of change or can't admit they are wrong, or whatever. But I do wish you would change your minds.
I feel like everyone should watch the same episode of TDW,and then we can all discuss it.  |
As I stated, I'm happy CERTAIN things have changed, such as the right to vote for women, etc. I stated all that in my first post. I'm not a person against change. But it is my humble belief that the human was a better species in past times and change has not
always done good. I'm old school on a lot of my beliefs, really. I sometimes wish I could back and live in a different time period when the world was so much simpler. We have FAR too many material things in our lives now and it takes up such a large portion of our lives, it's kind of sad. Yes, most women were stay-at-home mothers and the fathers went out and made the money for the family, but exactly was sooo terrible about that? Kids were better, more well behaved and respectful, families sat down and ate dinner together, it's just a time I really appreciate and respect and wish I had maybe grown up in such a time.
Yes, I think people are always learning and there's no problem with that. Also, I just really don't think his techniques are wrong per say and they just work for certain dogs. I don't ever watch his show and go "OMG! That was abusive!" I've just never caught that vibe ever from his show. Society has changed and morphed everything into something it's not. If you spank a kid, OMG, the world is ending and Social Services must take away the child. I'm not for ABUSE in ANY way, shape or form. But spanking a kid on his hiney used to be perfectly acceptable, and it usually taught the kid to never do it again. My mom, stepmom, dad, grandmother, etc were all spanked as children and they have NO psychological damage from being spanked... they just never did it again. All my mom had to do to stop was see her dad holding a belt (even tho he never actually hit her with it) to know she was in trouble. I just think people make too big of a deal out of nothing these days.
Even teachers now cannot say anything without getting in trouble. That's why schools are so terrible now because kids just don't respect their teachers or elders. They just don't care! When I was in HS there was this black kid who kept acting out and the teacher scolded him, well of course he comes back with "It's cuz I'm black, isn't it?!" and reported the teacher to the office. SHE got in trouble. It's just bullcrap. The teacher should be able to be a LEADER but she's not "allowed" to be.
I also wanted to state that I've never actually alpha rolled Jackson, or jerked on his collar/harness/leash, or any of those things. He doesn't need it. If he's barking, I will usually say "Quiet" and "poke" his side softly like Cesar does with his hand but it does not hurt him at all, it just snaps him out of it. I've also used pennies in a can and squirt bottles for barking, it has no damanged Jackson in any way and he's not a barker really. I use Cesar's energy tips for sure. If I come into a room stressed or excited, Jackson becomes tense or really excitable as well. If I'm calm, he's calm. I also practice exercise, disipline, affection. I give him affection when he's either laying down, on my lap, sleeping, etc. But whatever I'm doing is obviously working. He's a very happy dog, he loves every dog he meets, he walks right beside me on a leash, he knows 9-10 different commands/tricks, he's obedient (I'd give him a 8/10 just because he's so bad with begging still but that's my fault)
Quicksilver, this isn't all directed at you, either! Just me speaking my mind
Have you watched the episode "Run Home Roscoe?" It was on yesterday, I believe, a fearful Akita. I think Cesar handled it beautifully and I'd love to hear your opinion on it if you ever catch it.
I agree, we should all watch ONE episode and discuss!