Seriously? 100 years ago, women didn't vote!
I think part of the reason that there's so much argument about training techniques is because we are still learning so much about this area. I'm sure our understanding will continue to grow, and who knows, maybe in 20 years, clicker training will sound ridiculous.
I don't think anyone can disagree with Cesar 100%, or even 50%, because how can you disagree that dogs need exercise? However, the fact that he uses way too much force in maybe 10% of his cases -- to me, this is like a teacher that only physically abuses her students 10% of the time. If he were just some guy with a successful training business, that would be one thing, but NG is legitimizing his techniques, some of which are just wrong.
Britster, here is what I think about the "weak energy" -- I expect my groomer to be good with dogs, but not a seasoned trainer, so maybe he needs the extra help of keeping the me out of the room. I'm fine with that. But someone who is being billed as a Dog Whisperer should be able to do ANYTHING with the owner sitting there. Cesar was complaining about an owner coming in when he was working with dog on dog aggression. VS has done countless sessions with dog aggression, and the owner is ALWAYS there.
I do agree with you on the dominance word

, Cesar seems to throw it around a lot, it often simply seems to mean "obnoxious behavior."
By the way, I don't think Cesar lovers are afraid of change or can't admit they are wrong, or whatever. But I do wish you would change your minds.
I feel like everyone should watch the same episode of TDW,and then we can all discuss it.