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topknot · 07-12-2009, 06:30 AM

Holding papers back till proof - It is the only way breeders can protect ourselves these days from people trying to breed a yorkie that we think is a pet. We take this very serious and with the way things are now, people can lie or change their mind later once they have the pup. I have had some people come to my home and passed the screening with flying colors - very nice people and nice homes, excellent references, but when they were ready to sign my contract they commented that they had changed their mind and might want to breed her/him when they get older, just so they can have one litter. I had already explained to them before they even came to my home of what my conditions were - to spay/neuter. Therefore I also hold papers and get a copy of the vet report/receipt to confirm that the pup was spayed/neutered. Sometimes I even call the vet too to confirm. Then I send out the AKC papers. If a pup is 6 months when sold I will spay/neuter before they leave if sold as a pet. My vet will not spay/neuter a pup under 5 months of age and many people prefer a pup younger - reason for the contract wording to hold papers till proof of spay/neuter comes. YTCA ask release of Limited papers upon vet certification of pup being spayed/neutered - See number 7 in conduct - Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics Luckily I do not breed often and do not have to deal with this much, since I only breed for myself. If people do not like my contract, they can go somewhere else. I have to do what I have to to protect my pups. I am the only advocate they have! How often do we see that people want to breed and know nothing? Reason enough to protect the pups.

If you have a pup as a pet - why do you need papers? You should know whom the parents are and have a pedigree of the pup, and trust your breeder, if you buy a pup from someone. Full registration Papers are only needed if you are going to breed or show in confirmation. So you really do not need the papers to have in your hands if the pup is just a pet for yourself. I had horses and they were registered by their breeder. I never sent in their papers since I was not going to show or breed them. It just wasn't needed to me. I do give Limited registration AKC papers to my buyers once I have vet certification of the pup's spay/neutered. And Limited papers do not mean they are less - it still means they are registered by AKC, but that you cannot breed or show in confirmaiton.

There are different strains of Parvo out there now and the shots the pups/dogs get do not cover all strains. I use to be a vet tech years ago when Parvo first came out in the 70's/80's. There was not a vaccine for it back then and took awhile to develop a vaccine for it. Unfortunely these ugly virus can mute and change and then vaccines do not cover all strains of the virus. Just look at the flu virus - how many different strains are there of that. Look we even have the Swine virus now. You should be provided with a vaccine and health record of the pup when you purchase a pup/dog.

07-12-2009, 06:30 AM	#19
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Holding papers back till proof - It is the only way breeders can protect ourselves these days from people trying to breed a yorkie that we think is a pet. We take this very serious and with the way things are now, people can lie or change their mind later once they have the pup. I have had some people come to my home and passed the screening with flying colors - very nice people and nice homes, excellent references, but when they were ready to sign my contract they commented that they had changed their mind and might want to breed her/him when they get older, just so they can have one litter. I had already explained to them before they even came to my home of what my conditions were - to spay/neuter. Therefore I also hold papers and get a copy of the vet report/receipt to confirm that the pup was spayed/neutered. Sometimes I even call the vet too to confirm. Then I send out the AKC papers. If a pup is 6 months when sold I will spay/neuter before they leave if sold as a pet. My vet will not spay/neuter a pup under 5 months of age and many people prefer a pup younger - reason for the contract wording to hold papers till proof of spay/neuter comes. YTCA ask release of Limited papers upon vet certification of pup being spayed/neutered - See number 7 in conduct - Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics Luckily I do not breed often and do not have to deal with this much, since I only breed for myself. If people do not like my contract, they can go somewhere else. I have to do what I have to to protect my pups. I am the only advocate they have! How often do we see that people want to breed and know nothing? Reason enough to protect the pups. If you have a pup as a pet - why do you need papers? You should know whom the parents are and have a pedigree of the pup, and trust your breeder, if you buy a pup from someone. Full registration Papers are only needed if you are going to breed or show in confirmation. So you really do not need the papers to have in your hands if the pup is just a pet for yourself. I had horses and they were registered by their breeder. I never sent in their papers since I was not going to show or breed them. It just wasn't needed to me. I do give Limited registration AKC papers to my buyers once I have vet certification of the pup's spay/neutered. And Limited papers do not mean they are less - it still means they are registered by AKC, but that you cannot breed or show in confirmaiton. There are different strains of Parvo out there now and the shots the pups/dogs get do not cover all strains. I use to be a vet tech years ago when Parvo first came out in the 70's/80's. There was not a vaccine for it back then and took awhile to develop a vaccine for it. Unfortunely these ugly virus can mute and change and then vaccines do not cover all strains of the virus. Just look at the flu virus - how many different strains are there of that. Look we even have the Swine virus now. You should be provided with a vaccine and health record of the pup when you purchase a pup/dog. Last edited by topknot; 07-12-2009 at 06:33 AM.