Originally Posted by FlDebra  I am seeing this thread in an entirely different light. I see the original post where the situation is spelled out -- brother allowed his year old dogs to mate "not less than 50 times over 3-4 days" and she herself calls his actions “innocent ignorance.” Then the first reply only asks a question? How did he not know his male would "know how" if he watched them tie over 50 times? Then the OP rants and calls that person rude. Others voice their concerns POLITELY, if a little frustrated, but no name calling and she rants and raves while throwing in some "religion." That is not a person looking for help -- it is someone looking for an easy penance.
It is really not in anyone's best interest to come "pat people on the poopoo" when they screw up. You very politely tell them what they should have done and then offer some ideas to help. Looks like that was what was done in this thread. It would be irresponsible to be too nice about the "accidents happen" mentality -- that just gives others the idea that it is really not such a bad thing after all. She says "we tried to keep them separate but the male was howling and such." What responsible pet owner has not had to endure sleepless nights as a male and female tried valiantly to get together or at least make their wishes known? How many have had to put their life on hold to make SURE the male and female were not allowed to tie? That is what you do when you truly care about them not breeding.
She asked if the female was going to be okay? Well, who knows? She has been abused or at the very least neglected, so I am guessing her health is in peril. She needs medical attention sooner rather than later. She says this happened “around 6/18-6/21.” Yet she says, “I Assume she is pregnant, I will take her to the vet in the Very near future.” Wondering why vet opinion was not sought previously or at least the question asked here but maybe the brother just ‘fessed up recently?
The OP seems more intent on telling us what a “Good Christian Woman” she is and that she is “an intelligent woman” than truly finding answers and all of this after casting aspersions on the breeders of YT. She brought up BYB and puppy mills, insinuated the breeders here were no better using the “call a spade a spade” slam. Why is no one outraged by the accusations flung at the breeders -- the very breeders that took time to help me when I lost the mother of my last litter; the very breeders that are helping others in the same boat now? I think these breeders held their tongues well and mostly offered help even though they were rightly frustrated with the circumstances of the thread.
The OP said, “Things Happen Ladies, it does NOT make us irresponsible and dumb.” No one called them dumb but how can anyone say it was not irresponsible? She herself called her brother’s actions “innocent ignorance!” You can’t clean that all up and say, “it’s okay, you tried but daggone it, you just could not prevent “no less than 50 ties” after all, who likes hearing howling and such?” You have to, in the words of this OP – “call a spade a spade.” When you (or the person you are speaking for) screw up, sometimes you have to suck it up, act like you have a little regret for what was done, and then take the advice to try to fix what was wrong. Doesn’t help anyone to say, “you all are screwed up yourself and I am going home!” Better to take a lump or two with the good experience offered and try to make the best of a bad situation.
I studied for 2 years and thought I was doing everything right and responsible when I bred my two. I still lost my girl. I was told there was one thing I could have done to prevent it. Give her the oxy shot after her births to ENSURE every last bit of placenta was expelled. It hurt like crazy to hear that I had missed something that could have saved her life. I could have ranted and called the breeder rude for laying some of the blame on me. But the truth is, if there was a way to prevent it – then the blame is with me. From the minute you do not spay or neuter them at an appropriate age, you take the blame for anything that goes wrong that could have been prevented. I will NEVER forget that lesson. If I ever breed again, it will be with more study and more preparation. I may still make a mistake and it will still be my fault if something goes wrong as a result of it. Being a Christian also means taking responsibility, being a good steward for our pets as Mardelin said, and working diligently on their behalf as a good pet owner/citizen.
OP -- Since you run a Ministry, maybe this will help make a point that you will take onboard. Think of the experienced breeders like the Watchman of Ezekiel 33. The watchman was to give warning, and if he did not, the wicked will die but the watchman will be held accountable for his blood. But, if the watchman warns the wicked to turn from his wicked ways and he doesn’t do it, he will still die for his sin, but the watchman will be saved. That is the way I look at it. If you know someone is doing wrong, or belittling the wrong that another has done, and you know better, you need to address it, warn of the consequences. It is your duty. To stand by, say nothing is to tacitly approve and you will be just as wrong. So, the breeders let you, and every other reader that might need to hear it, know this was irresponsible (maybe not an unforgivable sin but a wrong that needs to be warned against). They did their Christian duty. That parable can be used in so many situations in life. It is never right to stand by and ignore a wrong or worse yet, help to justify it.
I also agree with the poster that said – it is not just “how we say what we say,” but also “how we interpret what we read.” I think everyone’s heart is in the right place and the main focus is on what is best for the two one-year-old Yorkies that undoubtedly will soon be parents. If pride can be laid aside long enough to take onboard some of the advice offered, the outcome may be improved. Best of luck on that count! Seek a vet opinion as soon as possible. There are many health varibles that should be taken into account before breeding and maybe those can be reviewed now. At least if a dangerous condition is identified, you could prepare for potential problems. Wish the best for the young parents-to-be. Hope you will stay and learn all you can about whelping and raising a litter! |