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					Originally Posted by westieboy  I'm sorry, I was just trying to help. I won't comment anymore on this then. I only asked you for more details because I think I might know the problem. I just needed more detail since you seem to be doing everything right. Again, sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention. 
 Since you asked, my dog is dual trained to go on the pad or outside.
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  Okay, well *I'm* sorry if I was prickly. 

 I'm having a hard time accepting how long this has taken. I've decided that Thor will have to have 3 months with no accidents to be officially "trained". Actually, I also forgot that he goes to daycare 1x/week, and I keep meaning to ask them if he has accidents there. I assume at least some of the dogs do, so maybe he's decided that impromptu poops are okay. 
Also, if you do think you might have an answer, I would appreciate the help. I'm proud, but not THAT proud.