Ok here is my favorite but my DH hates it says he looks like a girl hehe....it was his first top knot and it was up with a tiny little clip I bought from a lady here on YT and it works great but I lost my reciept and cant remember her name so if anyone recognizes it please let me know who she is we want more clips lol.
Oh and btw these stay in great and you dont need a band with them and they don't break the hair.