[Nancy1999]

quote=Doodlebop;2502091 Once a state adopts a lemon law, it will apply to puppies sold more profit..What makes you think otherwise... You mean because it doesn't specify that completely, Think of it from a litigation standpoint, The judge will enforce the law for what it says, It does not protect the breeder.

The lemon law will only apply to commercial breeders, unless they make a new law. A judge has to enforce a law, he cannot enforce a law that doesn't apply or use his discreation to define a commercial breeder, since the law give a clear definition of this.


Volume does not equal puppy mill... I don't know why you can't understand that!!!

Volume may not equal puppy mill, but volume does differentiate between the commercial dealer from the home breeder. If a commercial dealer raises kennel conditions they won't be labeled puppy mills. I have no problem with large breeding facilities, if the dogs are raised in humane condition. While I prefer the home breeder, and want to do help protect their interests, I have nothing against commercial dealers.


Microchipping isn't for identification of dogs that have been shot, it is not illegal to shoot your dog. If it is because of they are being dumped that would eliminate that problem, because they would all be shot..The problem is not microchipping each puppy, it is that you have to make sure it is registered too, and the only way to do that is to buy the prepaid registration, and fill it out and send it in with every puppy.


WHAT?????? Well things are worse in Indiana than I thought, I'm sorry it is not illegal to shoot dogs, and I hope this law changes in Indiana as well.

I can understand why commercial dealers don't want to spend a penny on registration, but that's too bad. Again, this doesn't apply to the home breeder.

You continue to restate the fact, that being a Pet Dealer is no big deal, Would you want that label, I am sure that in the beginning, they thought being USDA certified was no big deal, but now if you are USDA certified you are automatically stereotyped as a PUPPY MILL..

The law has to define terms; there is nothing wrong with the term. A pet dealer could be a premier show breeder, as well as a horrible back yard breeder, and everything in between, it could also be a puppy broker who doesn't breed anything, but only sells dogs. It only means that people who sell 6 or more dogs a years will have to keep simple records from whom they buy and sell their dogs. I think many bad breeders might be afraid of this because they don't want to show vet records. I don't know why a good breeder would find this objectional. Many puppy brokers aren't going to like it either because they will have to inform others where they purchased their dogs, and so if they were purchased from a puppy mill, they can't mislead people.


I think as a pet owner only, You are not qualified to argue this bill. If you are not open minded and cannot put yourself in the shoes of small breeders, hobby breeders, show breeders and large volume breeders then how can you effectivly argue these points... Not only can you not put yourself in the shoes of these people, but you automatically classify our state as "farmers and hunters" As if that is a bad thing.

I am not trying to argue for this bill, my original posts were intended to learn how the small breeder would be affected. I wanted specific information, and when I was told things I checked them out, and read the bill, and learned they were simply not true. Indiana is the state I was born and raised in, I love Indiana, as well a farmers and hunters, but I do not automatically endorse breeding legislation that is intended to cater to farmers and hunters. None of the farmers or hunters I've ever known would raise dogs in the conditions that many states still allow. I am proud that Indiana is doing something about this.

I happen to be an extreme advocate of the small breeder, as I said before there is no organization looking out for them. I truly believe the small breeder is being purposely mislead, so that the bill won't pass, and commercial breeders will water it down, and make it more to their liking, but if you think they want to protect the small breeder you are sadly mistaken. Commercial breeders pay lobbyists to come to forums such as this, and spread lies, most small breeders, don't have the time to read through tedious laws, and tend to believe what other small breeders are saying about the law. I would hate to endorse one law that could hurt a good breeder, but no one has given me one example of how this law could negatively impact the small breeder. The commercial breeder on the other hand will not doubt be seriously impacted by this legislation, and I bet there are willing to spend lots of money so that this bill doesn't pass.