Thanks! Im feeling better about this already! would a whistle work? No! doesnt seem to be to effective.. most of the time here i have 2 small grandkids and NO gets used alot ..the dogs hear it all day ! it works before it esclades but once its beyond that NO doenst do a thing .. I cant clap loud so im thinking maybe a whistle ?? a dog whistle or a regular one??. one quick blow? .. I went out and bought more treats so i will never run out ! I sincerly thank every one for all thier help and suggestions.. I almost see the light at the end here.. but I know I have a long long road but with the help here i feel like i can do it now