[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

2004 - University of Virginia Ends Cruel Dog Labs
2004 - Radiation Demonstrations on Mice Ended
2004 - Another 675 Animals Saved From Testing
2005 - Iowa Health-Des Moines Ends Use of Animals in Advanced Trauma Life Support
2005 - The Victoria College Pledges to End the Use of Live Cats in Pediatric Advanced Life Support (PALS) Courses
2006 - Covance Fined for Violations of the Animal Welfare Act
2006 - Welch's Drops Deadly Animal Tests
2007 - POM Promises to End Deadly Animal Tests
2007 - Scott & White Memorial Hospital Pledges to End the Use of Live Pigs in Advanced Trauma Life Support (ATLS) Courses
2007 - Multibillion-Dollar Food-Industry PepsiCo Pledges to End Animal Tests
2007 - Beverage Leader Coca-Cola Drops Animal Tests
2007 - National Toxicology Program Nixes Animal Tests
2007 - EPA Denies Sierra Club Petition to Require Animal Tests for Air Fresheners
2008 - Yale Cancels Pro-Animal-Testing Lecture for Kids
2008 - Hunter Fans Drops Cruel Circus Ad

Not exactly sure what this thread is about anymore except maybe PETA-bashing , so I'll take the other side of things. Above is a TINY sample of what PETA has done just in the anti-testing arena, and only in the last few years.

This doesn't even TOUCH what they did in their early years: anyone ever see a picture of vivisection? Anyone ever see a video of a dog or a chimp in an automobile crash test? NO, not recently? That's because PETA brought those things into the collective consciousness and those cruelties caused such an outrage that they are no longer done.

And all of those HORRID fur videos that were posted on YT regarding the fur trade in China that caused everyone on here such outrage? Who provided us the privilege of that outrage? PETA. They filmed those horrors for the privilege of our awareness.

Do I agree with everything they do? No. I don't think there is much I agree with in life 100%. But I will support them as long as humans commit what I think are cruelties against animals, and as long as PETA fights those cruelties.

About PETA >> Some Recent Victories

Again, I can't deny PETA hasn't done some good in the past, but if I had known then what I know now I would never had been a supporter. I can not see how you can say we are "bashing" PETA by merely using their own quotes, and links.

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

PETA is actually a nonprofit corporation which was, yes, founded by Ingrid Newkirk who is the president. President doesn't mean dictator. PETA is operated on donations- do you seriously think she doesn't have to answer to anyone? Assuming she is single handedly making all of PETA's policies based only on her own personal opinions without input and zero accountability (using donations to do so), PETA still does not have the power to create laws. They can lobby and support bills but they can't do anything without it being available to the public. They rely on us, private citizens supporting them. So, where is the campaign to make pets illegal? There sure isn't a public campaign and a private one would have no power and make no sense. Everyone who has tried to prove there is one bases it on one single statement made by one single person.

Who would she have to account to? There are no stockholders, as you say it's a non-profit organization. Do you think she has to account to her employees? How about her members? PETA does have follow rules about money accountability, and I'm not saying that she is misusing funds or living large off donations. In fact, she seems to live a very frugal existence, and is not at all motivated by money for her personal use. You say that they make no laws, however they are a powerful lobby that helps persuade lawmakers. You question of where is the campaign to make pets illegal? There is much to do before she would get this accomplished to be sure, but that is what she wants to see happen. I can't believe so many of you think we should just ignore her words. As for your statement a "single statement by a single person", she has made multiple statement of this, and Ingrid is PETA. I am bewildered so many of you choose to ignore her words. It's truly kind of frightening, and have you ever thought of the possibility of this becoming a reality, and her saying, "I told you this is what I wanted, how could I have made myself more clearer?" Reminds me of a song from the 60's by Al Wilson.

"I saved you," cried that woman
"And you've bit me even, why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in"

YouTube - The Snake - Al Wilson