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pauldo · 09-07-2008, 02:38 PM

Hi everyone -- I guess there's no clear cut answer on this one - I will just have to give it some more thought. I was hoping someone could give me a good answer to why I should pay the $500 other than just "an agreement is an agreement".

Just to answer some of the questions asked: I was told the male is proven --their own females had a litter and one other lady that used their stud had a litter, but it wasn't until my first time there that they told me their stud had only tied once on his own before -- that was the night he ejaculated on my female's leg (the breeder is a vet by the way so I have to take his word -- he was watching from behind, that there was no sperm "in my female"). I won't mention the name of the breeder -- they are small breeders here in Canada, and seem to be nice people. I somehow sensed though that this vet saw his involvement with breeding as "vet time" and wanted to charge his "vet fees". I didn't leave my female there b/c it was not offered to me, and again am taking the advice of a more experienced breeder and vet on how their own stud performs when people are present.

I know my analogy about a "band" is not the same as a dog breeding, but I was simply trying to make the point, not about performance, but about [U]being available[/U] when you promise someone to be available. Not being available to my female for her first 3 days of standing heat (she only stood for 5 days) is the term of the contract the breeders failed to carry out -- so that may effect whether she gets pregnant -- if she does get pregnant as I have always said, I will pay the whole amount. In my other two experiences using someone else's stud, they had me bring my female on her 1st/2nd day of standing heat, and then every 2 days after that. From all the reading I have done, that appears to be the most successful way to breed and was the way this breeder told me they would breed my female -- which they didn't.

Although I teach learning disabled kids now, I was a lawyer for several years b/f switching careers, so I know that a court would view this breeder's behavior as not fully carrying out their promised contract. I find the world of breeding a very different place though than corporate law -- not everyone puts everything in writing, and I have often found breeders get offended when I ask to have things in writing or try to work out different arrangements from what they suggest. There seems to be a lot more emotions involved, and I often feel like I am walking on pins and needles when dealing with alot of breeders... I don't get it...

Anyways I myself am feeling pretty emotionally and finacially drained -- the $1000 quote on the cracked front window is correct by the way -- my husband got the quote -- maybe it's the type of vehicle I have, or maybe b/c everything in Canada is more expensive...

09-07-2008, 02:38 PM	#21
pauldo Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 117	Hi everyone -- I guess there's no clear cut answer on this one - I will just have to give it some more thought. I was hoping someone could give me a good answer to why I should pay the $500 other than just "an agreement is an agreement". Just to answer some of the questions asked: I was told the male is proven --their own females had a litter and one other lady that used their stud had a litter, but it wasn't until my first time there that they told me their stud had only tied once on his own before -- that was the night he ejaculated on my female's leg (the breeder is a vet by the way so I have to take his word -- he was watching from behind, that there was no sperm "in my female"). I won't mention the name of the breeder -- they are small breeders here in Canada, and seem to be nice people. I somehow sensed though that this vet saw his involvement with breeding as "vet time" and wanted to charge his "vet fees". I didn't leave my female there b/c it was not offered to me, and again am taking the advice of a more experienced breeder and vet on how their own stud performs when people are present. I know my analogy about a "band" is not the same as a dog breeding, but I was simply trying to make the point, not about performance, but about [U]being available[/U] when you promise someone to be available. Not being available to my female for her first 3 days of standing heat (she only stood for 5 days) is the term of the contract the breeders failed to carry out -- so that may effect whether she gets pregnant -- if she does get pregnant as I have always said, I will pay the whole amount. In my other two experiences using someone else's stud, they had me bring my female on her 1st/2nd day of standing heat, and then every 2 days after that. From all the reading I have done, that appears to be the most successful way to breed and was the way this breeder told me they would breed my female -- which they didn't. Although I teach learning disabled kids now, I was a lawyer for several years b/f switching careers, so I know that a court would view this breeder's behavior as not fully carrying out their promised contract. I find the world of breeding a very different place though than corporate law -- not everyone puts everything in writing, and I have often found breeders get offended when I ask to have things in writing or try to work out different arrangements from what they suggest. There seems to be a lot more emotions involved, and I often feel like I am walking on pins and needles when dealing with alot of breeders... I don't get it... Anyways I myself am feeling pretty emotionally and finacially drained -- the $1000 quote on the cracked front window is correct by the way -- my husband got the quote -- maybe it's the type of vehicle I have, or maybe b/c everything in Canada is more expensive...