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admin · 07-09-2008, 02:07 PM

YorkieTalk has always supported the Meetup, even though it was conceived and brought about without YorkieTalk being involved. We do not at all take credit for Sukoshi's Mom and the rest of the committee's accomplishment of the 2008 Meetup, nor will we. We have allowed multiple meetup threads, some as stickies, many reminder threads, and allowed the meetup group to solicit YT storeowners and members for raffle items. These threads were done for our community for a YT meetup, and if it wasn't for a YT meetup, we wouldn't allow our storeowners and members to be solicited. The 2008 meetup certainly did not benefit YorkieTalk financially, nor would we see future meetups as being moneymakers for YT. This issue isn't about money, control, nor taking credit. We are simply wanting to be fair to the general YorkieTalk population.

We only asked that YT was not involved in the financial aspects, and we tried to let the committee do as it thought best for the meetup and we didn't try to interfere. The 2008 Meetup Committee made a hugely successful event for the 2008 meetup, but we did not wish to take over the meetup duties, as we know that it is indeed a lot of work, and finding another committee is more unnecessary work as well.

In fact, we did not interject nor did we try to interrupt the 2009 vote poll that the committee made, if we wanted to take over this meetup issue, we certainly could have closed or deleted the 2009 poll and stopped everything then and took over meetup duties. If we wanted, we could have just ordered a 2009 meetup in Canada if we wanted. But we did not get in the way and we didn't want to take over the meetup at all. We see no benefit of YT trying to take over something that already is working well and accomplishing a lot. It makes no sense.

We believe it is simply unfair to change the rules after the poll was over and after the committee made the rules. Most people would agree it is unfair to change the rules when there is a clear winner. There was no indication that this poll was a preliminary poll, nor were there any posts stating that there would be a another poll if the votes were close. Again, we are being as fair as we can about this, seeing as it doesn't matter to YorkieTalk at all what coast it may be.

We are sorry to hear Sukoshi's Mom and the committee no longer want to be part of the meetup committee. We appreciate their time, effort, and expertise in planning the 2008 event and thank you. We wished you could have continued with future meetups as we did specifically state we would appreciate if you and your committee to continue with the 2009 meetup efforts. We are sorry to hear you no longer want to be involved with the 2009 meetup.

Changing the vote or changing the voting system gives all Americans a bad taste, as we have seen in the past two Presidential elections.

If there was a runoff vote (without any required deposits or payments) between San Diego and Alexandria, with the large amount of east coast votes, it would seem Alexandria would win again. A vote which requires money would be a toss-up. Since the committee posted the poll and implied to all those that voted that the winner would be the actual chosen city, we believe the 2009 meetup should be held in Alexandria, VA. There were no qualifications as to the poll being a "preliminary poll" nor was there any indications that only people with a certain number of posts could vote. It was simply available for all of YorkieTalk to vote on. Changing the rules after the vote has ended makes YorkieTalk look bad and makes YT look unfair.

We also calculated the number of YT Donating Members who voted, and we believe we counted 42 for Alexandria and 33 for San Diego. We think that's also another fair way to count "legitimate" votes, although this is the Internet, and that there will be some people that say they will attend and end up not going at all. That is the nature of the Internet, and in life in general, as we have tried to organize things in the past before. Not everyone that says they will attend will attend, and sometimes emergencies or other family issues may come up between when a person posts their intent on going and when the actual event takes place.

That said, to be fair to the YorkieTalk community, the 2009 YorkieTalk Meetup will be held in.... Alexandria, VA!!!

The 2010 YorkieTalk Meetup will thus be planned for the West Coast...

If you are interested in being on a meetup committee for the 2009 Meetup, please PM us. We will try to get a group together in the next few weeks. Thank you.

07-09-2008, 02:07 PM	#351
admin *Administrator* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,246 Blog Entries: 3	YorkieTalk has always supported the Meetup, even though it was conceived and brought about without YorkieTalk being involved. We do not at all take credit for Sukoshi's Mom and the rest of the committee's accomplishment of the 2008 Meetup, nor will we. We have allowed multiple meetup threads, some as stickies, many reminder threads, and allowed the meetup group to solicit YT storeowners and members for raffle items. These threads were done for our community for a YT meetup, and if it wasn't for a YT meetup, we wouldn't allow our storeowners and members to be solicited. The 2008 meetup certainly did not benefit YorkieTalk financially, nor would we see future meetups as being moneymakers for YT. This issue isn't about money, control, nor taking credit. We are simply wanting to be fair to the general YorkieTalk population. We only asked that YT was not involved in the financial aspects, and we tried to let the committee do as it thought best for the meetup and we didn't try to interfere. The 2008 Meetup Committee made a hugely successful event for the 2008 meetup, but we did not wish to take over the meetup duties, as we know that it is indeed a lot of work, and finding another committee is more unnecessary work as well. In fact, we did not interject nor did we try to interrupt the 2009 vote poll that the committee made, if we wanted to take over this meetup issue, we certainly could have closed or deleted the 2009 poll and stopped everything then and took over meetup duties. If we wanted, we could have just ordered a 2009 meetup in Canada if we wanted. But we did not get in the way and we didn't want to take over the meetup at all. We see no benefit of YT trying to take over something that already is working well and accomplishing a lot. It makes no sense. We believe it is simply unfair to change the rules after the poll was over and after the committee made the rules. Most people would agree it is unfair to change the rules when there is a clear winner. There was no indication that this poll was a preliminary poll, nor were there any posts stating that there would be a another poll if the votes were close. Again, we are being as fair as we can about this, seeing as it doesn't matter to YorkieTalk at all what coast it may be. We are sorry to hear Sukoshi's Mom and the committee no longer want to be part of the meetup committee. We appreciate their time, effort, and expertise in planning the 2008 event and thank you. We wished you could have continued with future meetups as we did specifically state we would appreciate if you and your committee to continue with the 2009 meetup efforts. We are sorry to hear you no longer want to be involved with the 2009 meetup. Changing the vote or changing the voting system gives all Americans a bad taste, as we have seen in the past two Presidential elections. If there was a runoff vote (without any required deposits or payments) between San Diego and Alexandria, with the large amount of east coast votes, it would seem Alexandria would win again. A vote which requires money would be a toss-up. Since the committee posted the poll and implied to all those that voted that the winner would be the actual chosen city, we believe the 2009 meetup should be held in Alexandria, VA. There were no qualifications as to the poll being a "preliminary poll" nor was there any indications that only people with a certain number of posts could vote. It was simply available for all of YorkieTalk to vote on. Changing the rules after the vote has ended makes YorkieTalk look bad and makes YT look unfair. We also calculated the number of YT Donating Members who voted, and we believe we counted 42 for Alexandria and 33 for San Diego. We think that's also another fair way to count "legitimate" votes, although this is the Internet, and that there will be some people that say they will attend and end up not going at all. That is the nature of the Internet, and in life in general, as we have tried to organize things in the past before. Not everyone that says they will attend will attend, and sometimes emergencies or other family issues may come up between when a person posts their intent on going and when the actual event takes place. That said, to be fair to the YorkieTalk community, the 2009 YorkieTalk Meetup will be held in.... Alexandria, VA!!! The 2010 YorkieTalk Meetup will thus be planned for the West Coast... If you are interested in being on a meetup committee for the 2009 Meetup, please PM us. We will try to get a group together in the next few weeks. Thank you.