 Update from Toby's Mom!
Hello all!! and thanks sooo much for the concern, support and info..Now since we last spoke--mom and I went to the breeders house--they had 2 females and 1 male..1 female and the male was shaved so close we couldn't tell anything..and the other one looked like a Yorkie..Toby does look like the dad and at times, now we see where maybe he looks like the supposedly mom. but my Mom heard the dad saying to his 2 teenage kids who were there that they look alike except they just have diff moms..Nooooo....but they gave us the papers on Rocky the dad..and that breeders number as well as the registration,. Now, I called the breeder by coincidence earlier that day before going over because they had an add in the paper and I do want a female. The breeder was VERY informative and has been breeding champions for over 10 yrs..I didn't even know it was one in the same until they gave me the number. Anyway, what she said was--1st Vet's are in the business of health..and unless they have bred Yorkies or any particular breed, they can't beging to know all the information, etc. on that breed. They can't tell by looking at them, there age, IF they are purebred or really a Yorkie, etc. Teeth pattern tells nothing! Some gain and loss teeth earlier or later than expected just like children. As well, unless you know the pedigree history behind the dog, you won't really know the size, or anything of that nature...Anyone who has a kennel name, like Yorkmont Rocky--I'm a dandy too...for example should have the family pedigree information. If it is like Dam Princess Leah IV for example, this is just a pet name, and unless you can find out IF they have a kennel name somewhere in their background, you really won't know anything. The mother makes up 60% of the gene pool so really, your taking a 50/50% by breeding if you don't know anything about the history to determine, size, etc. which they don't recommend. So, if the mothers genes and pedigree history down the line has large Yorkies--maybe the litter will reach back into that gene pool and thus produce a large one even though the dad may be smaller and have a small sizes in his genes. One could be large and the other small, so they really can't tell you anything about the size or shouldn't be selling a certain size because they don't know!..So it doen's mean that they are not both Yorkies..However, THEY should have told me that, and I would not have been expecting a less than 7lb dog. She asked me and mom to take their measurements from the back of the neck to the tail bone and then from the back of the neck down to the floor. Based on that, she said that she would guess that Toby still had some baby fat on him but that he was pretty much probably through growing and should be less than 10 lbs and that Monty still would be growing a little bit more and get to be about 5-6 but certainly not over 9lbs. Then she gave me --wagon wheel pedigree and said that I could go to the website get information and research the pedigrees on the mother and see what or IF we can determine anything before I think about breeding or having puppies. She said that based on her dogs, she knows which ones to mate to have smaller or larger , etc. and she was certainly not trying to sell me anything!..She asked a lot of questions about the temperment that I was looking for in an animal, show quality or not, etc. She said that the DNA would tell only if who they said was the mother and father were truly the mother and father...other than that it would tell nothing...BUT I question this too...so I may fork over the 35.00 and at least get that part done. The original owners seemed to be open to that..but we'll see once I call them to schedule. This other breeder also referred me to a vet in my area that she knows that they know about Yorkies, specifically, she has worked with them and seen them at shows, etc...Sooo...here we have my "Big Kahona"--which is now Toby's nickname--whom I adore..I do want a smaller female yorkie, even if I don't breed them which I won't now until I am a little more informed on Toby's history..It just makes you made when people are selling things that are not representative of what they say--but I take ownership in this too...because I should have done more research. I searched on the breed, temperment, etc. but never learned as much as I did that Sunday!..She also recommended a couple of good books as well!-- The Complete Yorkie, the New Complete Yorkie and the Book of Yorkie-- well you know Yorkshire is spelled out but I would love to pass on any author info IF anyone is interested!...Thanks again and let me know what you all think..
Toby's Mom |