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Originally Posted by punkie  I'm not looking for someone to call me cruel, misinformed or a sadist. |
Punkie - Nadia didn't call you this - she used these words to describe the inventors of these products. I think we all realize you're looking for feedback on these collars, but since this is a public forum and since most folks don't support the use of the collars - I would expect a lot of feedback that is probably alternative to the collars. And, who knows - maybe you'll find something in these suggestions that works. Never hurts to consider these alternatives.
