[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Marc

First off...I do NOT want this thread to turn ugly, lol. I am posting this for debate and learning on both sides. I am not what you guys call a "breeder" nor am I what you guys call a "backyard breeder" at this time. I am a new owner of a female Yorkie and we may breed her at some point. For the purpose of learning and debate....I am going to assume and post as it would be that I am going to breed her.

I invite all "breeders" and "backyard breeders" and pet owners to post. Please, no need to get heated in here. Ha.

Ok, after reading some of the posts in the breeder section here I am a little confused about what is going on. The term "wanted and unwanted" pups is used alot when someone comes in here who wants to breed their "pet" Yorkie. I am curious...what makes your pups as a breeder wanted and my Yorkies pups unwanted? If I breed mine to another Yorkie then why would yours be more desired than mine?

Do you intend on breeding toward the AKC Standard or away from the AKC Standard?

Also, if I am a new owner and am interested in breeding her at some point...do my research and feel confident that I can do it...what makes that any different than you when you first started breeding?

I hope the difference in you and me is that you Do your research and know what you are getting into before breeding your female...I never did any research before I bred my Yorkies...I adopted Teddy and Tiffanie and never intended on Breeding them, then I did breed them...I had NO clue what I was getting into at all...Call me a backyard breeder if you choose or pet breeder. I did realize I was doing wrong and corrected myself. I realized my mistake and learned from my mistake and by the grace of God and I do mean by the Grace of God we had 10 healthy puppies, we could of had 10 very very sick puppies and even could of lost our mommy which I never knew when I bred them cause I DIDN'T do my research 1st.

Also, there is much talk from the "breeders" about unwanted pups from people who post as new owners and advice for them to go rescue one from the Humane Society or Sheter. Aren't you as "breeders" also contributing to the dog population? The same could be said of you....

I have it in my contract that my puppies/adults are NOT allowed to go to anyone else beside returning them to me. I'm trying to protect my puppies/adults this way.

spay and neuter your Yorkies and go volunteer as a person who takes in placed females with their pups till they find homes for them. No? It seems that when you tell a newbie to go get one from the shelter to help with the overpopulation of dogs...and then you are breeding numerous litters a year....a bit odd, no?

I did have my Tiffanie Spayed to not allow someone else to breed her.

And....after reading a few threads that "newbies" started for help...I see that the risks of breeding this breed and the potential costs come up. But if that pet owner did their research and are in full knowledge of the risks and cost....why does that still get the "breeders" goat? Everytime a "breeder" breeds her female she is at the very same risks and costs as the "newbie". Your female and her female are no different. What happens will happen to either.

Well, let's start there. Again, I am NOT in anyway heated...just looking to learn and debate this topic.

Ok, let's talk a bit about the money part of it. How much do you figure it cost per pup. You dock, feed, vet fees, vacs...etc. How much do you figure you spend on one pup till it reaches it's new home?

There is a lot of money spent in raising and caring for Yorkies more when you have sickly babies or have to keep them longer due to not being able to find them good loving homes. The cost veries with each litter but I can tell you I'm in the hole from 2 litters alone.


So if a breeders pup has 3 pups at 1500 bucks a pup...that is 7500 dollars. The cost of the entire litter is say 800 bucks if no c-section is required. I'd say that the breeder is making a huge profit, no? What does it matter then if joe-blow makes a few bucks?

You can't put 2 "Pet Quality" Yorkies together and expect to make $1500 each off a puppy...Unless your breeding for smaller puppies like 2lb puppies then if you do that your going away from the AKC Standards. At least I couldn't adopt my 3 out as Pet Quality where we live for no $1500 each. If they are making a big huge profit then those Yorkies are not being bred, whelped and raised right with the Yorkshire Terriers BEST benifit in mind. I had 4 in 1 litter and had to give one away due to it being to big at 12 weeks old, had 1 in another litter I had to give away for the same reason. And I gave Tiffanie away due to her being big and I spent the money myself having her spaded before giving her away. Tiffanie threw out 1 big puppy in her litters and she herself was a larger teapot Yorkie and with her being larger, when anyone called asking the size of the puppies parents then it put a hinder on us adopting them out. So there for we ended up having to keep some of them till they was 6 months old so then again the price for caring for our babies went up. Not everyone makes a profit off of breeding Yorkies I don't understand why people think they do. Do alot of you even know what clear profit is???
These are just my OPOs and I'm being honest with you Lee