i am not critisizing for using a crate its just that these things i have never had to use and so i am not understanding about them that all sorry if it comes across badly
same as the pee pads we must have been lucky not to have needed to use them as we to go to work and school
our dogs must be better able to hold themselves
as for the thread below its not for joe indoors its to help with the walking and the 'protect mode'
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