we just ordered some off of ebay and they are the hospital type. i have put the throw away pads on them so they get used to them as the washable ones are about 2x as big as the disposable pads. So far so good. i will gradually remove the throw aways. Candy is the only one that uses them. i wish she would tell my other girls about them as they would rather go outside too. Bad weather is always a problem as i am the one standing outside with the huge golf umbrella while they take their time checking out every blade of grass.