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Originally Posted by Kiwiglaze  Well, I think since service dogs have been allowed into restaurants and stores and there has been not ONE report of someone dying of allergies, it would be possible to have other dogs in restaurants/stores without causing a problem.
The problem is how do you determine the good, well behaved dog from the bad dog? I think you are right, we could have training and your dog would get like a "doggy license" which would give them access to public places. It would state that the dog has been trained and passed some sort of test that determines they are well behaved. No license, no entry into the store/restaurant.
I think that maybe in the future as more people becoming educated about animals and how to care for them, we can get more animal protection laws. |
EXACTLY.
Doggie License. It could be on their collar in clear view, kind of like a rabies tag. IMO, it should be mandatory for all dogs going out - that way it solves the problem of discrimination. As I said previously, if the dog isn't trained, the dog stays home. Problem solved and no one's panties are ruffled.
Not sure where you're going with the allergy thing or if you're directing that at someone else. Since you are & have been quoting me & me alone (which, FYI, I personally find insulting), I'm going to do the logical thing & assume this was directed towards me. I never mentioned allergies. Also, as far as I can tell, we're saying the same thing, no? I'm honestly not quite sure why you're continuously quoting me? Are you agreeing with me, or are you trying to pick a fight? Maybe you just aren't familiar with proper netiquette?
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For everyone else ranting & raving about how things are soooooooo much better in Europe....
....chew on this....
FRANCE:
The Law of 31 July 1987 provides free access for
guide dog owners* to all places and facilities open to the general public.
With regard to public buildings and catering facilities however,
the Law imposes sanitary restrictions prohibiting guide dog access to e.g. care units in hospitals, kitchens in catering facilities, etc.
t may be requested that
guide dogs* are muzzled in public transport. Some private transport companies impose access restrictions.
Across the board, the 1987 Law does not seem to be adequately publicized. There have been several reported cases of
guide dog* owners being refused access to public facilities (cinemas, restaurants, etc.) by staff who were unaware of existing provisions. Source:
Guide dog access to public facilities in Europe.
It may also be requested that
guide dogs * be muzzled in air transports.
You can be required to show your disability card and a document identifying your dog as
guide dog.*
However it may happen that your interlocutors are unaware of
guide dogs* access rights. The best attitude is to inform them, a smile being your best advocate!
However free access does not mean absence of rules. Your
guide dog* could be denied access if he/she does not behave.
For instance:
* He/she is expected to relieve himself/herself in the curb, not on the pavement.
* Do not let him/her run all over the place in restaurants or on the beach, jump on the seats in taxis or sleep on your bed in hotels!
Source:
Guide Dog French Federation.
Dogs not welcome in GB?
Q- i went to London and Dogs are not allowed to go nowere...i am alone and i cant leave my dog home,i travel a lot with my dog, spain, france, italy, no problems in restaurant, hotel or department store...GB i had big problem.
A-There are places you can take your dogs, hotels etc... search on the internet to find them. Dont forget that UK is a lot colder than the mediterranean climate and so do not have restaurants with seating outside where you are welcome with your dog. And the health and safety regulations are very strict. We love our dogs, but you just have to know where you can go to take them with you. Source:
Yahoo Answers.
Dogs are the bane of walkers in France. Every farm has quantities of them.....None of these dogs is a pet; our meeting with the woman and her spaniel was one of the few times we met someone taking a dog for a walk. They are deterrents....The ones in the outskirts of towns and villages are the worst; their dogs are kept behind wire fences & skip up and down barking & growling, teeth bared, only a couple of feet away as you walk past. Their confinement turns rage into Hysteria. Atleast the farm dogs have room to roam about and work out their frustration. Source:
Source: Miles Moreland, Miles Away: A walk across France.
Luxury Apartment in Paris France:
No Pets
Sleeps 2 No Smoking
1 Bedroom Full Kitchen
1.5 Bathrooms 1 Floor
Children Allowed
Source: one of many, many available
adverts found via a simple Google search for accommodations.
Oh -- and here's the kicker...
In France, dogs were widely eaten during famines. Source:
Wikipedia
So, professor, Yong-Geun Ann at Chungcheong College proved her statement of the French not eating dog meat to be a lie, writing an article in The Jungangilbo (Dec. 6th, 2001) stating the French ate dog meat during the Frenco-Prussian War, presenting documents from butcher shops in France in the 1870s, and a photo (from a French book) showing the opening of a dog meat butcher's in France. The following are the materials showing that the French ate dog meat...... (The remainder of the article can be found:
here.)
I also happen to know for a fact that dogs are
NOT allowed in many museums in Paris. How? Because I've been there, many, many times myself. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find a good solid written down regulation to back that up. Could be a translation thing in that no one has bothered to translate the regulations out of French.
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The point of this bitter diatribe?
It's just as touch and go in Europe, in particular, France as it is here in America. Do your homework.
While I absolutely agree that Europeans as a whole are more dog friendly than Americans, I think blindly saying that "I'm moving to France b/c my dog can do anything & go anywhere there..." solely based on hearsay, or possibly even visual evidence based on a tourist experience, is a little silly. But, I digress.....
I guess I'm just not a slippery slope kind of person. Nor am I a sheep. Or maybe I just woke up in a bad mood this morning and found this thread to be a little bit ridiculous in the first place. Isn't everyone, save a small few, saying the same thing in the first place? Why the need for a 10 page argument over something that almost everyone seems to agree on?
Bottom line: If the dog is well behaved and well trained, yes, in most cases, it should be allowed. If not, like a spoiled child who annoys spectators, a spoiled or unruly dog should be kept at home until s/he learns better!
*If guide dogs, which have legal protections (and fines of 300 Euro for violations of their rights) in France, have trouble, what do you think this means for common pets?