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Let me also add I am not a big fan of Cesar's. I have his tapes and both of his books. I am more impressed with his second book but if you read his books many of these dogs that he has changed are exercised over 7 hours a day. Now that will take the piss and vinegar out of just about any dog. I also find that strangers sometimes will get a dog to do something easier than the owner if the stranger is a take charge kind of person. Time will really tell with some of the dogs he has visited.