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Mine also use pee pads and go outside too. If I don't put down the pee pads they will go in the same spot that the pee pad was in. They will poop outside if they are left out there long enough but they don't like to. I tried crate training for a while but it didn't work out very well. And if it is raining or wet outside I would rather them go on the pee pads anyway so they don't get dirty paws and carry that in the house. I have just decided that it make life easier with the pee pads at certain times. Good luck with wahtever you choose.

**also wanted to add that my dogs will only potty on the pee pad or if the pee pad isn't down they will potty in that same spot that the pee pad is supposed to be in, they will not potty anywhere else (they did when they were younger but not now)