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Originally Posted by yorkiekist  I dont believe its been established or proven that ALL parti yorkies come from Champion lines. Nothing has been proved to me. I notice that on 99% of the pedigrees posted that produce parti colors, the champions are back in the 3rd and 4th generation. The only exception I saw was the Nikko dog, and I will research that more. That means that most of the dogs in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generations, have been bred by back yard breeders, some that probably have more than one breed, and do not and never will show. They have no concern for the breed itself, sell everything on full registration and all for the $$$$$. And, I am not saying that all back yard breeders are nasty and puppy millish. Some have beautiful kennels and dogs and are kept very clean. The same can be siad for the show breeders, as some of them are not very clean. The big difference is that show breeders breed to the standard of the breed and try very hard to breed out the faults, not reproduce them like the back yard breeder. I still dont understand why you just dont go and buy a Biewer. Its the same dog you have now. All the hard work has already been done for you. Why just create the same "breed" over and over again? I dont think its a challenge for the parti breeders because I dont think the parti breeders will rise to the challenge of creating a new breed. Evidentally, you cant change my mind and I cant change yours. By reading your web-site, it is eveident that you do not like nor respect show breeders. I can see why show breeders wont give back yard breeders the time of day. They cant be trusted to do what is right for the betterment of the breed. By the way, did you do all the research on your web-site, or did you just re-print all the research you found into your own words? Lynn |
I never said that "All" parti yorkies came from champion lines. In fact I stated very clearly that there are most likely some dogs being sold as parti coloreds that are mixed breeds.
The fact that there are champions in the 3rd or 4th generation certainly makes sense, since the parti coloreds themselves cannot be shown, and therefor cannot become Champions.
Just because a breeder does not show does not mean that they are breeding indiscriminately. A dog does not have to have a Ch. to be a Champion quality dog.
I don't have a kennel at all, my dogs live in my house with me.
I don't buy a Biewer because I don't want one. I want to be a part of developing the American bred parti colored Yorkshire Terrier.
Why is it that you feel the Biewers are acceptable but the partis are not when you yourself admit that they are the same dog???
Since you don't even know the people who will eventually take on the challenge of creating a new breed, how can you say they will not rise to the challenge?
Where on my website does it say that I do not like or respect show breeders. I don't have much time for closed minded people, but not all show breeders fit into that category.
As for researching something and then rewriting it in my own words. Yup, that is exdactly what I did. That is what researching is. I read everything that I could find, that could be supported with proof and I reiterated it in my own words. If I copied it word for word, it would be plagerism.
I also reported what others have written that was totally false, or could not be proven. such as "there is no piebald gene in the makeup of the yorkshire terrier." That statement cannot be proven, even if it were true, which we have already established that it is false.
It is very true that there are many bybs that cannot be trusted to do what is right. It is also true that not every show breeder can be trusted to do what is right. Some of them are so focused on winning they would do anything to win. Including the dogfs hair, putting hair from their ear into the topknots to make it appear as if their ears are closer set. Scrunching them together when they stack them to make them appear more square, to name just a few.
My guess is that most of them are not like that but some are. The sad truth is people in general do not always do what is right.
That does not mean that all non show breeders breed only for the money and don't care about the breed. After all if they wantrepeat business they had better deliver a quality product. Their reputation is at steak just like the show breeders is.
You are attacking people that you don't even know, you are attacking my website and drawing conclusions about how I feel about show breeders. You are labling all non show breeders as money hungry, irresponsible Bybs.
What are you getting at?
It appears you have lost sight of what the original discussion was about and do to a lack of knowledge on the subject, all you can do is make accusations about people that you don't even know.
A good debat is factual and informative, not full of sladerous comments and accusations.